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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It sounds like we all can just start listing anything.  [/quote]

People are allowed to self-identity, yes. For example, many Native American tribes also get very upset when African-Americans claim Native American identity, even though intermarriage between these communities is well documented, because of racism/colorism. We don’t want a system where the state is making determinations based on complexion tests. [/quote]

NA tribes are very strict. They make the determination. There are a lot of benefits associated with being a member of various tribes. along with their own ideal/interest in 'self preservation' -including discouraging marrying and having child birth outside the lineage through a loss in said status. I'm guessing E. Warren would not pass their standards. For NA, they make the determination. Yes, we can all self identify but in this case I would guess a tribe has to agree for her to have actual standing. For AA and really all racial groups it is interesting--as we know the phenotype can be very different from the genotype. My interracial child appears to be Caucasian. For "hispanics/latinos" --that's a culture and a massive mix. Travel to South America and you'll find half of them are displaced Italians. I can see giving a special opportunity to a quechua indian from the Andes. not sure why an Italian/Argentinian merits any special designation. At some point these categories get ludicrous. I am hoping all these check boxes will disappear, but liberals especially seem to love them. That's why E. Warren is so egregious--she's seen to be benefitting (corruptly) from something people like her champion. No one likes that.[/quote]

I think what people do not understand is if you don't have a tribal card, don't vote in tribal elections, and/or don't maintain a tribal identity (meaning the tribe doesn't acknowledge you as one of them) you have zero right to say you are a member of that tribe. This has been my experience with various tribes (Navajo, Apache, Hopi, Tohono O'odem, and Souix).

I really like Elizabeth Warren's work on the credit card industry. I really think she could help get equity in our economic system for working and middle classes but this discussion will never end because of conservatives belief that there is some [b]magical[/b] opportunity in Affirmative Action. Poor Affirmative Action has be misrepresented for so long and the GOP just can't see reality anymore. I think it is unlikely she will ever recover from this.[/quote]

I agree with some of what you say, but when you say "magical" are you saying that affirmative action doesn not privide for a real opportunity? If that is the case, why is it around?
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I wish my Indian-American son could self-claim as Black in college application. He does look like one.[/quote]

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