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Agreed. I still don’t understand how the polls were so off in Wisconsin in 2016. It could be much closer than it looks there, and if Trump holds WI and Arizona, he has a clear path if he carries OH, FL and PA. The problem with this race is twofold- it’s looking close in a LOT of states, and we’ve been burned By the polls before. Biden can win in a landslide, or trump could eck out a win again (though it seems unlikely that will happen again.)[/quote]

1) the polls weren't off. The exit polls matched the pre-election polls. Trump struck an inside straight flush by narrowly winning three states with a growd that filles a football stadium Whether that was luck or [b]manipulation[/b], we may never know.

2) Hillary was the second worst candidate in the history of the country, but she was beaten (barely) by the worst. Biden doesn't have anywhere close to the negative ratings that Hillary had.

3) The polls have been steady. Trump has been down 7% to "generic dem" since 2017.

Trump won by 80,000 votes in the EC but has done thing to add to his base of voters since then. In the meanwhile, it is 4 years of older people naturally dying off, 4 years of younger people who hate Trump, coming of voting age, and suburban women and independents flocking away from Trump in droves. He might still win but by the numbers, it is hard to understand how.

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Were votes changed? We don't have evidence of that. We have plenty of PROOF that it CAN be done without a trace.

What we do know is that the Trump campaign gave data to Russia and Russians put disinformation on Facebook. I'd call that manipulation.

And now the illegitimate, impeached, soon to be indicted POTUS has completely reshaped the Federal Courts for decades. [/quote]

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