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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's interesting to see the black lady beating up on white posters. What is sad is that Asian Americans who are most affected by this ruling is forgotten and ignored once again.

Forget Becky with bad grades, Asian Americans with excellent grades, scores, awards, ECs, leadership skills, sport etc. are getting denied admission to top schools due to soft quotas in place at the top universities for Asian Americans . Asian Americans have accomplished academic and non-academic accomplishments despite many of them (or their parents) being immigrants who had to overcome language and cultural obstacles in addition to the same racial discrimination. Blacks are not the only group experiencing discrimination. Asians have been forced into slave labor, sent to internment camps, had property confiscated, lynched, subject to Chinese Exclusion Act etc.

[b]Hopefully, the legal actions against Harvard and UNC by Asian Americans can proceed now the SCOTUS case is over.  [/b]

Don't forget, wherever Holistic admission system" is used without considering "race", blacks make up extremely small number which is very telling.

For example, TJ uses "Holistic Admission System" and places heavy emphasis on short essays (SIS) and longer essay (some would say to give preference to non-Asians) and the admission's office bends backwards to recruit and admit blacks and Hispanics but their numbers are typically around 1% and 3% respectively and not much better for Berkeley and UCLA for blacks (2-3%) while Hispanics do better (20-25%).       [/quote]

Oh please, yes.  Even if we reached the point that the makeup of the student body at one of these colleges was 100% Asian, there would still be some on here complaining that they had higher scores and should have gotten in.  Holistic is holistic and can't be reduced to just numbers (even when those numbers include ECs with the appropriate number of awards and level of leadership).

And look at what has happened to TJ.  As the make-up of the student body has changed, the school has become more of a stress factory, causing many students not to want to apply and some teachers to leave.  Colleges each have their cultures and administrators often want to preserve those.  [/quote]

[b]Many students not want to apply = whites scared to compete with Asian Americans or racist;
Teachers leave = teachers are retiring after 20-30 years of service.
Whites can run from competetion but they cannot hide forever. :wink: [/b][/quote]

It's not fear, it's not wanting that kind of pressured environment.  I'd call that smart.
The teachers I know who have left have left because they didn't like how the culture was changing.  They have not retired, but found jobs at schools with a healthier atmosphere and more balance.
Your third comment is so obviously misguided and/or racist, it doesn't warrant a response.  It is worth noting, however, that instances of cheating at TJ are on the increase.[/quote]

Whites can try to oppress but Asians are smarter than whites. Can't oppress that forever.  :D [/quote]

If we're going to stereotype (and you started it)- Asians aren't smarter, they work harder.  This type of work and memorization results in high grades and test scores, but does bestow EQ or leadership skills, which are essential for success.  Despite seeing so many Asians in top schools, you still see very few Asians in leadership positions, either in government or in the corporate world.  African American students historically perform poorer than Asian students, yet you see more of them assume leadership roles in corporate America.  Population-wise, there are about 3x the number of AAs in America than Asians, yet there are more than 10x the number of AAs in Congress.

I would never consider TJ for my kids, mostly because I believe there are more well-rounded options that can help develop better critical thinking and leadership skills.  [/quote]

If we're going to stereotype (and you started it)- Asians aren't smarter, they work harder.

[i]No it's both and you have to have high intelligence and work hard to accomplish at the level many TJ students are accomplishing. Average golfer will not become a professional golfer just because he "worked hard".[/i]
  
This type of work and memorization results in high grades and test scores, but does bestow EQ or leadership skills, which are essential for success.

[i]You are engaging in stereotyping and worse denigration of the entire race. If you had said something like "Blacks are lazy and prone to violence", some on this forum would have a fit but similar stereotyping against Asian Americans is ok? Crap all over Asians since they have no political power right?
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Despite seeing so many Asians in top schools, you still see very few Asians in leadership positions, either in government or in the corporate world.

M[i]ostly due to "bamboo ceiling" and there is no political base to whine and protest discrimination against Asian Americans. We see it all the time including allowing discrimination against Asians in college admissions. Just imagine if colleges discriminated against blacks as they are doing against Asian Americans? That would not be tolerated by the hypocritical political correctness groups for one second![/i]

African American students historically perform poorer than Asian students, yet you see more of them assume leadership roles in corporate America.

[i]Affirmative action in preferring blacks in college admissions and employment coupled with actual discrimination against Asian Americans in college admissions and employment is largely to blame. Let's face it, what major company wouldn't mind meeting black quota by hiring some blacks whether qualified for the job or not; good PR move definitely and a preventive measure to avoid boycotts and protests.  
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Population-wise, there are about 3x the number of AAs in America than Asians, yet there are more than 10x the number of AAs in Congress.

[i]True. That is because there are only handful of congressional districts that are majority Asian Americans and they are mostly limited to Hawaii and California. Most of the black congressmen are elected from majority black districts. No rocket science and certainly not due to any lack of leadership skill on the part of Asian Americans. You again choose to engage in stereotyping and racial denigration for the entire Asian Americans without really thinking about the issue.  [/i]

I would never consider TJ for my kids, mostly because I believe there are more well-rounded options that can help develop better critical thinking and leadership skills.

[i]Again, you are being a racist by saying "never". It's up to your child not you to decide. TJ certainly allows for development of critical thinking and leadership skills. Again, you choose to stereotype and engage in denigrating the entire Asian American race without knowing what you are talking about. Belive me, there is plenty of critical thing going on at TJ as well as development of leadership skills. In fact, most of the leadership positions of teams, clubs, student government etc. etc. are held by Asian Americans. Why is that when Asians are so lacking in leadership skill? In fact, whites make up about 30% of the student population but so lacking in leadership positions? And yet, you crticize Asian Americans for lack of political positions when they make up 6% of the population NOT 30%. [/i]

I hope you see the hypocrisy and mean spirited racial denigration going-on throughout your post. 
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