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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm curious what these people attacking AA think should be the criteria for admission.  Diversity is more than about race.  I just read the story of a three - tour combat veteran admitted to Harvard who admits his HS grades and SAT scores were nothing near what the current crop of high achieving high school graduates. Did he displace some poor valedictorian who parents think their snowflake better deserved entrance. [b] Harvard and these other schools want real people who can add some new, different perspective to a class.  Automatons of the type described in William Dereszewicz's "Excellent Sheep" are not always wanted.  [/quote][/b]

[b]And this is true of any race.[/b]  The paint-by-number achiever types who have never failed, taken a detour, broken a rule or had a doubt are not the kids you want in elite universities.  Unfortunately, right now too many excellent sheep are getting in and more feel entitled to. [/quote]

+1. Previous poster seems to hold the racist opinion that only Asians are "automatons."

In any case, to make this simpler, let's contrast two extremes: the kids of a poor Vietnamese immigrant vs the kids of a wealthy black lawyer.

Right now, race-conscious affirmative action penalizes the first and favors the second.

Why? THAT's the bias we are discussing in this thread.[/quote]

Your example assumes that a poor Asian would be passed over for a rich AA based on affirmative action.  In practice, thats not how it works. Both groups are under affirmative action. To expand on your example, that poor Asian with excellent scores may have been passed up by virtually any person from any race that has inferior scores, but may be superior in other areas.

Lets get something straight: Affirmative action does not = schools accepting inferior applicants simply to increase diversity. Thats not what the law says, and its not how its used in practice.  Race is to be factored into the decision, as it should be, given generational impact having the lack of access has had to various minority groups in this country. Its not meant to be used as a deciding factor.  As someone who has worked in college admissions for decades, I can attest to this.

Continuing with your example,[b] in a school like Harvard, in which Asians as a whole are over-represented, that poor Vietnamese student that has an excellent profile, but didn't get accepted would have a very hard time proving that they were not accepted as a result of "race conscience" admissions[/b], or in better terms, "race quotas."

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He might have a very hard time PROVING that he was not accepted as a result of "race conscience" admissions, but following your own logic that is EXACTLY what happened. He was bundled into some "Asian" group, which some random dudes declared to be "over-represented," and that was a contributing factor to his fate. Even if on his own race-free merits he may have been superior to some admitted whites and blacks.[/quote]

+1[/quote]

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