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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Lol this poster is unhinged..."Guilty until proven innocent" is not a principle we follow in America. Maybe the PP should relocate to Russia where his/her type of thinking would be more welcome.[/quote]

I agree, so no one is "guilty" of "backlash" or "discrimination" against Muslims until proven innocent.  Maybe OP should relocate to Iran.[/quote]

Unless you agree that all Christians (not only catholics) must denounce the pedophilia of the Catholic church (just one example, we can come up with many for any given group of people), than you really have no argument here. By your logic, most christians support pedophilia.[/quote]

This is a bad example.  The collective outrage over pedophilia in the Catholic church was widespread.  Many Catholics spoke out against it, left the church, etc.  If you ask any Christian about it they would express disgust and sadness over the matter.  The previous pope made an almost unprecedented move of "retiring" because he knew he was handling the fallout poorly.  Pope Francis' has made a radical change in rhetoric and this made a real difference with people who were dissatisfied with the Catholic church on a lot of levels.

ISIS didn't pop into the world all of a sudden.  The hateful, crazy rhetoric has been part of the Islamic world for a long time.  The violence against minorities and even other Muslims has been around a long time, and has been widespread.  THAT is the equivalent of the Catholic church's pedophilia problem, and that elicited no outrage in the Muslim world.  You could have walked through Cairo on a Friday afternoon for the past couple of decades and heard ISIS-worthy sermons about the "kaffir" blaring from loudspeakers for the entire world to hear.  Criticizing anything "Islamic" in the Muslim world is very much taboo.  Or maybe most Muslims didn't really care, and things kept escalating until we reached this point.[/quote]

I specifically mentioned all denominations beyond Catholics since we are including all Muslims and not just the radicals...it's a perfectly good example.  You wouldn't think so however, because it shows the fault in your own argument. If you ask any American muslim about the paris attacks they would most likely also express disgust and sadness, even the OP said she denounced the attacks.[/quote]

I am not who you think I am.  I am not the crazy poster, and I am not some conservative suffering from some existential crisis over how Muslims will take over the world.  I am actually a Middle Eastern person who speaks fluent Arabic and lived in a Muslim country and has Muslim friends and people in my family married to Muslims, etc.

Either you don't get my point or I am not communicating well.  Probably the latter.  What I was trying to say is that the pedophilia scandal is not like what is happening in the Muslim world today, it is like what happened decades ago when wahhabism spread throughout the Muslim world and no one did anything about it.  Unlike what happened when the priest abuse came to light, no one in the Muslim world cared about this hateful disease took over the region.  It doesn't really matter at this point if anyone is upset.  It's too late.  One of my relatives was a victim of radical Islamic terrorism 20 years ago and nothing happened.  No one was arrested, no outcry occurred.  No one cared.  The people who terrorized my family may well be in ISIS now.  ISIS affiliated groups are in all of these different countries for a reason- there was never any outcry against extremism.  No one ever stood up to them.  It was never frowned on to go to a mosque that preached extremist messages.  If you had a friend who decided to become a member of Westboro Baptist church, would you be ok with that?  Or would you try to reason with that person and let them know you can't be friends with someone who goes to that crazy church?  When Muslims make the equivalent decision, no one stands in their way.  Even MUSLIMS acknowledge this.  I was listening to an NPR program yesterday where a Somali woman who tries to help people who want to leave extremist groups make the same point- [b]young people would join radical mosques and no one would say anything because no one wants to stop someone from becoming more "devout.[/b]"  This is a failure on the part of mainstream Muslims and I lay it squarely at their feet.  I also think Islam is a completely awful religion, because I have seen only destruction and evil as its fruit.  It is an entirely separate point from how our society should treat Muslim people- they must have equal protection under the law, they should be protected from discrimination and violence, they should be given refuge from war.  We are not better than these awful countries if we do the same things they do.  We are only better if we act like it.[/quote]

PP I agree this is part of the problem in the Arab world.  Culturally, it is taboo to say anything negative about someone's religious beliefs or practices. ISIS has exploited this as it leaves them free to brainwash young people free from friends and family who might interfere with their "religious" beliefs.  But it is indoctrination into a radical political group with an ideology of hate and violence.  I hope people in the Middle East are gradually waking up to this, speaking out and taking steps to keep their youth from falling prey to it.  [/quote]

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