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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The point is that a Greek man first theorized the curvature of the earth, going against universal existing belief of a flat earth, and relying, in part, on faith because gravity had yet to be fully understood at the time. For all he knew, ships could be falling off the edge of a flat sea, but he trusted based only on a simple observation. I have been reading the other threads on NDE and clearly NDE'ers are similarly relying on their own observation and, also, in part, faith.[/quote]So if someday science can provide imperial evidence for NDEs then we will know they are a natural phenomenon and not proof of an afterlife in a supernatural realm, just as[b] gravity was eventually proved[/b].[/quote]
I don't quite know that gravity has been "proved".  People always knew that things fall down.  Over the centuries, from Aristotle, Galileo, Newton, and Einstein, we got better and better mathematical information about how this phenomenon works.  But I don't think any of this goes beyond how it works to why it is there or what its essence is.  Maybe gravity is the will of God holding his Creation together and controlling its motions.   I'm an atheist, but[b] I see nothing intellectually inconsistent in a scientist believing in God and pursuing science because he or she wants to understand the rules by which the Creator ordered Creation[/b].

For me, the universe IS, and it is possible to learn more about how it works, so that we can predict, and even affect, what will happen, and create tools and machines that use the laws of nature.  WHY it is, that's a question that I don't think it is possible to know, and it's a matter of how each of us sees the world whether, like me, you leave it at "We just don't know that" or whether you feel there has to be a reason and you ascribe to a religion or some other belief structure that provides an answer.[/quote]

That scientist would be a deist -- a creator god only -- not the god of the Bible who has a whole back story and set up a bunch of rules for people to follow thousands of years ago and hasn't been back since.[/quote]

NP. I am a religious person and I agree with the PP who said, "] I see nothing intellectually inconsistent in a scientist believing in God and pursuing science because he or she wants to understand the rules by which the Creator ordered Creation"

That said, the "god of the Bible" that is being described above is not quite accurate.

Science is a bunch of rules for people to follow. For people and all of creation to follow. Like God, science also has a back story. Last, the God of the bible never left. [b]Most all religious people believe that God is omnipotent, omniscience, and omnipresent. [/b][/quote]

And in his infinite wisdom, he does nothing to stop tsumanis or disease or brutal wars.   And he loves us[/quote]

You need to speak to a knowledgeable rabbi, priest, imam, or any clergyman. This is one of the first questions a child will ask as soon as he understands the concept of God. God is perfect. Perfect does not mean He gives you all that you desire and protects people from all harm.  This life is a test to see who stays on Gods path and who can be led astray by Satan. Satan will indeed lead a great multitude astray. They will create mischief and spread evil on earth. Some will be harmed by those led astray. Natural disasters will occur for different reasons. Some think God destroys cities because of people's bad behavior ( Sodom and Gomorrah). Some think the hurricane impact on New Orleans may have been due to the corruption of lawmakers and hedonistic lifestyle of people. There is no proof as God is not here to clarify why some cities suffer from natural disasters. But we know God disapproves of certain acts.

The notion that God might be a kindly white bearded man in a long, white overflowing robe who can never get upset at anyone is a very influenced by the Christian view of Jesus. That is not the God of other religions. In my religion, life is a test so every human has a degree of free will to choose good or evil. Harm may result to your fellow man as a result of evil choices. In the end, we are all judged according to our choices.[/quote]

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