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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima] I have lived in both Muslims and Non Muslim countries,  I have never ever met a Muslim woman who was forced to cover her head, not one.  .[/quote]
If you haven't encountered societies where there are serious social costs attached to non-covered women and their families, then I do not believe that you have lived in Muslim countries.[/quote]

Ok, so if there are serious social costs attached to non-covered women, then the religion is to blame? How more narrow-minded can you be? The religion itself guarantees free will to each and every human being, this is a right that the Creator Himself bestowed upon His creation. The fact that societies and human beings do not follow this has nothing to do with Islam. Again Muslims are not perfect beings, they come in all shapes and forms like every other person on the planet![/quote]
I didn't say religion is to blame. You said you've never met a Muslim woman who was forced to cover.  Your comment was about reality on the ground, not religion.  I replied to you that a) clearly, you haven't met EVERY Muslim woman, and b) choosing to cover in a society that attaches costs to lack of covering is hardly free choice.   We aren't discussing religion. We are discussing the experiences you have reported.[/quote]

No, what you said was : "If you haven't encountered societies where there are serious social costs attached to non-covered women and their families, then I do not believe that you have lived in Muslim countries" So, according to you, in every Muslim country there are social costs attached to non-covered women and their families? This is simply to be polite, not true! Of course I have not met every Muslim woman living on this planet, I don't have to meet each and every one to say that I have lived in a Muslim country and have not met a single one who was forced to cover. The narrative that you are trying to sell that Muslim women in Muslim countries cover due to the cost of not covering is wrong, insulting to the millions of Muslim women who freely choose to cover, and narrow minded to say the least![/quote]
You need to learn that exclamation marks add nothing to your argument.

Allow me to explain how things are according to me, since you seem hell-bent to misinterpret.

I didn't say that "in every Muslim country there social costs attached to non-covered women".  I said these countries and societies exist. Do you question that?

I'm sure you have lived in A Muslim country and haven't met a single woman who was forced to cover. You are just one person; how many people could you possibly manage to meet? Besides, I'm sure you don't exactly go out of your way to find them.

The argument I'm advancing is that at least in SOME Muslim countries there are significant costs to attached to non-covering, and therefore it is logical to deduce that at least SOME women cover besides the social costs of not covering are too high.  You have advanced the argument that every single Muslim woman covers because she wants to, and there is no evidence to believe that.[/quote]

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