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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I have a weird and kind of aloof brother who has never been violent and I would never jump  to the conclusion that he had committed a mass murder in a neighboring town, even if the police were looking for someone who also drove a blue rav-4. [/quote]

If that brother had a history of mental health problems and called you early in the morning after the murder occurred, and then later suddenly wanted to get his car out of the state, you wouldn't have gotten suspicious?

Well, on a different note, I've got a beautiful bridge you might be interested in...[/quote]

He didn't call the sister early in the morning. He called his mom. And for his mom, it was not "the morning after the murder occurred." It was just... a morning. She lived on the other side of the country and knew nothing about the murders at the time. He'd called at odd hours before. She had no reason to believe his reason for calling this time was related to a news event she had not even heard about.

And he didn't "suddenly" want to get his car out of state. He had told them previously he wanted to get some things out of their house and drive them to his new place in Idaho, and his dad had offered to fly out and do the drive with him because it was so long. His dad had already bought a ticket when the murders occurred and, again, the family was not thinking about any of this in the context of the murders because to them, the murders were a separate news event that had nothing to do with their family.

A white Hyundai Elantra is a very, very common car. It is likely you know a person who drives that car. White is the most common car color. Elantras are affordable and have good resale value, so there are a lot of them on the road. If I heard about a horrific crime involving a Subaru Forester or a Nissan Sentra, I would not immediately assume that one of the people I know with those cars committed the crime. I would think "huh that car is very popular, it's going to be really hard for them to find the killer." Like it wouldn't even cross my mind.

You are making the common error of thinking that a piece of information you have already learned (that Brian Kohlberger killed four people) should always have been obvious to everyone even before literally ANYONE knew, including his family. In fact the only reason the police honed in on Brian is because his DNA was found on the knife, something it took weeks to learn because of how long DNA analysis takes. Before that, no one was looking at him and the fact that he drove a white Elantra and lived near the murder scene was not viewed as relevant by anyone.[/quote]

You're being far too quick to dismiss the significance of the car. This isn't a highly populated area, there are only about 90,000 people in the census area that covers the two towns and surrounding area. The number of white 2011-2015 Elantras there is probably very roughly on the order of 50 or so cars (and some are probably fleet vehicles). That puts him in a very small set of suspects before even factoring in the other things.

There were lots of reasons to be suspicious, if someone was open to considering them. But the family probably wasn't.[/quote]
2011-2015 wasn’t the date range put out, it was 2011-2013. It defies logic to suggest that the family should have done something with the information that he drove a white 2015 Elantra, or done some research into how many white Elantras were owned by people within that census area and assumed that the police were really looking for a 2015 and not a 2011-2013 model.[/quote]

I agree with this. It was the wrong model. Of course the family was probably like, oh phew. If he drove a gray Elantra or a Toyota that looked like a white Hyundai would you also expect them to assume the police had it wrong and be suspicious anyway?[/quote]

Cars often don't change their looks between years, so I would never assume the year implied specificity.

And honestly, I'd assume the same thing regarding color. White vs black or blue? No. White vs light grey? Yes.[/quote]
Lol, you would never assume the actual years put out by law enforcement, 2011-2013, implied specificity? Then why would they have put out specific years? You have to be trolling at this point, because that argument is nonsensical. [/quote]

Remember a few years ago when the police were looking for a white panel van with a ladder rack? Are you suggesting everyone that saw a white panel van without a ladder rack said "I'm cool with it." [/quote]
Terrible deflection, the example of the sniper vehicle description is not applicable to an argument about whether people living across the country should have known/suspected their son was the killer because he drove the same make and model, but different year, of the common place vehicle that was identified as a vehicle of interest. [/quote]

I really don't think the average person can tell the difference in model years for a boring Elantra. I guess a witness was a self-proclaimed Elantra expert. [/quote]
They put that information out based on the video of the vehicle in the area. Obviously whoever the police consulted on that video believed they could identify that car as being a 2011-2013 model, it wasn’t some rando that made that conclusion. If the police say they are looking for a 2011-2013 vehicle, it is perfectly reasonable that someone would not connect that with their son’s vehicle from a different year. [/quote]

OK.  I mean, I guess that's understandable. Seems weird to me, but understandable.

To me that sounds akin to hearing that, say, the police are looking for a 6 ft white male with a rough sketch, seeing someone that matches the sketch, but dismissing it because you happen to know they're actually 5'10". I wouldn't expect the years or heights or weights or colors to be precise or confident. In practice these are regularly off. But maybe that isn't common knowledge.[/quote]
This isn’t a lay person eyewitness conclusion, which obviously can be faulty due to a variety of factors. Some car person was consulted and said this is a 2011-2013 Elantra. They didn’t need to give a specific range of years but they did, and that was the information put out there. Again, the idea that the parents should have been like well they said specifically it’s a 2011-2013 Elantra and Bryan has a 2015 so he should be a suspect in these murders is ridiculous. [/quote]

Well, he lived in the area. Drives same car. Incel. Was acting weird. And known for being aggressive and threatening to women he worked with. Seems like a few red flags, no? [/quote]
It’s unclear what his family knew of the issues with women. Obviously he had a documented history at WSU that definitely would have been a big red flag, but as an adult student in a PhD program they weren’t going to be contacting his family about it. This isn’t the same as a 16 year old school shooter living with his parents. I also think being weird was his default, him acting weird wasn’t a new or strange thing to his family. [/quote]

The family has been pretty tight lipped. They aren’t going to say at this point. But i don’t believe his sister at all.[/quote]

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