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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I tend to think smart kids with average teaching will score 4s.  Smart kids with very good/effective teachers may score 5s.  A high concentration of 5s shows you something about the teaching quality.[/quote]

CAPE/PARCC is a weird test. My kid scored high on it only because his 3rd grade teacher spent a month teaching all the tricks -- like put a quote somewhere in your essay because the graders are looking for a quote, etc. I guess this has to do with teaching quality? But more like he had a good teacher who knew how to teach to the test.[/quote]

Then that is a big red flag.  I would look at other schools.

Our school does not teach to the test at all.  Parents get communication that there is going to be testing coming up.  School recommends kids get good nights rest and that’s it.  Our kids do well.

Teaching to the test only gets you so far.  It is not going to get you top scores especially higher up in the grades.  This is true in ELA and especially true in math.[/quote]

PP here, I also want to add that spending a month teaching to the test takes away from quality teaching that could have been done in those 30 days.[/quote]

Incorrect. You sound like a parent who doesn't even have kids at testing age yet.

At young ages, teaching to the test is valuable just like any teaching is valuable. Kids are learning how to look at an exam question, how to sort through multiple choice answers, how to type a response, how to manage time during an exam, etc. All skills they will need throughout their school years. These skills take time to learn, especially when a child is only in 3rd grade, when CAPE begins.[/quote]

It’s only valuable because we make standardized testing valuable. In a world where college admissions are- well we’re dropping such requirements.

It’s an artificial barrier that does not indicate any true skill. I agree with the other teacher in the sense that it is wasteful. Unfortunately due to the reality of US politics and classism teaching to test is important. [/quote]

Meant to say ‘well we were dropping such requirements.’[/quote]

Except, this isn't true... Competitive schools are bringing back the SAT (e.g., Yale) *and* no schools are dropping tests entirely... SAT IIs, APs, IB exams, etc. All of those are standardized tests that are hugely important for kids to do well on. Then there's the LSAT and the bar exam if your kid wants to be a lawyer. Or the MCAT and the various medical board exams for doctors. Or the CPA exam. Or the GRE. Etc. Etc. Tests are important for life for most kids looking for white collar jobs. Teaching test taking skills is helpful.[/quote]

I said “We WERE,” as in the past tense.
It’s all arbitrary, tests for jobs vs. tests for school.
There are kids who also do well on various tests for jobs and then suck at the job. That is why doctors do not get to fully practice just after taking a test.

It is helpful if your child does not get the skills needed from actual teaching but if that’s the case I would not want my child to go to a school like that.[/quote]

…. Pretty obvious you don’t know medicine (google the step exams)[/quote]

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