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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My HS Junior in APS is very happy with how it has been implemented even though she'd like her phone to listen to music when doing independent work. She said some kids have been caught cheating on tests with their phones, and it turns out they put a burner phone in the pockets at the front of class. Not sure the punishment, but she said all their teachers know who they are now.[/quote]

Sounds like it's working well.
My kid was/is opposed to the pouches; but haven't heard any complaints from them since week 1.
They acknowledged more students were participating in class discussions and are now talking instead of being on their phones during work time, which is annoying for my kid because she's trying to do her work. But again, she hasn't complained about it since early on. Believe me, she would complain vociferously if it were a problem.[/quote]

She's not complaining because no one is using them or enforcing it anymore. So there's nothing to complain about!

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Exactly - that was my point for the anti-cell phone ban troll who has no clue about anything and just wants to bash the policy by illogically asserting it has worsened the problem.[/quote]

I think you read this wrong. The student isn't complaining anymore because no one is using the pouches and no one is enforcing the pouch rules anymore. Hence nothing to complain about. Schools just quietly are not enforcing.[/quote]

Do you have a student at a school using pouches? I do, and they are being used, and it’s going fine.

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yes I have a student at a pouch school, and this isn't our experience. Most kids are not using them, and it's still going fine. Cell phones are not that big of a problem. [/quote]

DP. I have a student at a "pouch school" as well. It has been admitted by students and by administration that a large number of students are gaming the pouches by putting something other than their actual current phone in them. Nevertheless, phones are no longer a significant problem.....because of the pouch system in place.

I disagree with your insinuation.  It isn't that kids just aren't using their phones, things are fine, and pouches are not necessary. The kids aren't using their phones like they [b]absolutely were[/b][i][u] pre-pouches because they know the school/teachers are actually serious about not using phones.

Students are not complaining anymore because whether they use the pouch or not, they are not using their phones in class because they know they will be called out and there will be consequences. It's far more blatant to be using your phone when they're all supposed to be locked in pouches. The student complaints are more about being treated like toddlers, not about being restricted from using their phone during class. Their silent rebellion bucking the system by getting away with not actually putting their phone in the pouch is enough for them.

Also, students are not complaining anymore because they are used to the rules being in place and there's no point in complaining. There's always grumbling when new rules are implemented and it dies down over time.

Now, if appropriate rules and strict enforcement had been in place soon after phones started becoming a problem, we'd probably have the same result and it wouldn't have had negative impacts on so many students for so many years. But APS employees won't impose discipline and consequences themselves and will only rely on systems such as pouches that take the disciplining and enforcing responsibility away from themselves. And you know why? Because of parents with short-sighted, self-centered, ignorant attitudes like: if you don't want your kid to have a phone in class, don't give them a phone and leave me and my kid alone.

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I have a kid at a non pouch school and the away for instruction approach is also going fine.

It's not the pouches, it's the school wide expectation of away for instruction. [/quote]

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