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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This is not a close call.  I grew up in Houston.  Rice is great but doesn't have the international reach of Columbia.  Amherst is a wonderful SLAC but Columbia is Ivy.  My kid transferred from a top 5ish slac to a top 5 Ivy.  Ivy any day, all day.  Great outcomes and congrats.  [/quote]

Maybe but Columbia is not a top 5 Ivy. [/quote]

It pretty much is.  At my office, for recruitment, we don’t differentiate between Columbia and the other top ivies. And the kids are no different. Cannot tell them apart [/quote]

Keep trying. Whether you like it or not, Columbia has gone down in the prestige scale in the recent years. And STEM recruiters would definitely not differentiate between (if not prefer because of better attitudes) a Rice graduate than Columbia.[/quote]

Columbia is a peer school to Emory et al. Is it a "top Ivy?" Of course not, and there's nothing wrong with that. [/quote]

There’s HYP.

There’s Columbia and Penn.

And then there’s Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell.

Emory is nowhere near any of those schools.  It can hang out with Vanderbilt and Washington U on a good day.  [/quote]
Emory is better than WashU and peers of Vandy and Cornell. Columbia is a step above but not as much as you may think. Columbia used to be a half step below HYPSM now its closer to Emory than to Harvard. Sorry. [/quote]

Please explain why that is, specifically.  What has dropped about Columbias education product that makes it now inferior to what it was.

I bet you cannot.[/quote]
The realization that Columbia GS is so much worse than the school itself or a school like Emory. These students get a Columbia undergrad degree but the school has a near 60% transfer acceptance rate and test score in the 1200's. These could never compare to any T30 school, and they make up 25% of the student population. This wasn't public knowledge until the cheating scandal.
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Umm, no sorry wrong.

Everyone knows about programs like GS. Most of the elites have them.  Including the H in HYP.  Books have been written about them, like this one published over a decade ago: https://homerbookstore.indielite.org/book/9780399164309

Just because YOU didn't know doesn't mean the rest of the world does not.  When you learn something it is great, but that does not mean reality has changed one iota.

So, you have failed, and may try again if you wish. What has dropped about Columbia's education product that makes it now inferior to what it was.[/quote]

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