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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's not sped it kids coming from violent homes. There are plenty of parents out there who beat their kids[/quote]

It is more kids coming from super permissive homes where there is no discipline just screens whenever the student demands it, no structure, and the kid who is often smart and strong willed soon realizes he or she can do whatever they want and the parent won't intervene. So the parent walks on eggshells or gives in to all the kid's demands because they don't want to see the kid tantrum. So the kid comes to school and realizes no one can touch them or do anything to them. The teacher tells the parent the student is misbehaving and there are NO consequences at home. There are also no rewards that are effective because the student gets whatever they want at home. [/quote]

Teacher here. This is more likely the case. I have a student who is nearly as tall as I am and she's 6 yrs old. The only way her mom can get her to school (according to her mom) is to let her walk with her (the student's) phone. When mom gets her to the front door, she walks inside with her until she lines up with her class and then her mom tries to quickly pull the phone away and hightail it out of there. Needless to say, it's like WW3 every morning. My colleague and I end up blocking the door with our bodies to prevent her from running out the door after her mom. We've had meetings about this (and her other awful behaviors) but the real problem is mom's inability to say no. This child has tantrums like a 2 yr old multiple times per day. They last for at least 15 minutes and the entire class comes to a halt because she is screaming the entire time. This child doesn't have special needs. Her mother just doesn't want to parent so all of us get to deal with that. There are 3-4 of these kids in every grade.[/quote]

I just spent 7 weeks working in an out of school time program at the YMCA in a Title I schools community.

Hands down, the kids with diagnoses or who were SPED were LESS disruptive and problematic than the kids who simply are not being parented, period.

These are average to above average intellect kids who are running the show in our classrooms and other youth development programs because the new social justice paradigm (I am, by the way, uber liberal and was an antiracist before the term was in any kind of widespread use) is that you don't discipline these kids or kick them out of the program as your progressive accountability structure allows - you just keep abiding and trying to give them positive incentives to conform their behavior to norms.

And in the meantime the vast majority of kids who make good choices are getting bullied and traumatized by witnesses bullying and assaults both physical and verbal on a regular basis - on them, their peers and yes, on their adult instructors.

For some percentage of kids, seeing those things on a regular basis normalizes that kind of behavior and violence and it invites some kids to engage in behaviors they never otherwise would have tried.

It's a disaster, truly. I was planning to go into public school teaching through a program that requires a 2 year commitment to a Title I school district and I've decided - NO THANKS.

It would be different if there was any accountability structure left for kids who make bad choices, but there really isn't. The school district where I was going to teach is one among many nationwide that have been sued for having an in school and out of school suspension program and for using it as designed. While investigation by the federal OCV found there was no intent to racial bias in using the progressive accountability structure, the majority of kids who ended up being in and out of school suspended were BIPOC and so it was no longer okay to use it because apparently we are just going to abide the behavior and that's going to motivate the kids to change and conform to social norms.

Is anyone really surprised that violence is more and more normative in our society?

What really makes me sad is that this is just a recycling of the soft bigotry of low expectations. These social justice warriors in our schools and other youth development program leadership structures think they a striking a blow for antiracism, but to me it looks like they are enabling and encouraging kids into the juvenile justice system and eventually likely the adult justice system, just in a different fashion than the previous school to prison pipeline.

And yes, plenty of the disruptive kids are white, too. We are failing all these kids whose parents already did. We'll pay the price down the road as we always have done.[/quote]

Let’s stop this.  No same parent, white, black, Hispanic, Asian, or otherwise wants there to be no discipline and behavior reinforcement in school.  That said, plenty of studies have shown that BIPOC kids have recieved greater punishment for the same or similar behaviors or offenses as white student. Is that true is all schools, no, but it is rampant enough to provide valid data. That is why there is a focus on suspension rates.  Additionally, research has also proven that suspension in some cases is not the best solution to changing behavior and affecting how kids think about their actions long term which is why there is Restorative Justice.  No one advocated for the pendulum to swing to no suspension and no discipline.  And BIPOC people did not advocate for implementing RJ without the appropriate training and persons involved to help do it correctly.

So why not  spend time focused on the real problem which is that the things that are needed to properly help kids and teachers can’t be done without proper staffing, resources, and funding.  They also won’t be successful if we don’t work together to build a society meant to sustain families and communities and not one beholden to money and power over all else.

Throwing a 5yr old out of the classroom does solve the root cause problem, it just removes it from immediate view. The fact as a country/county we can’t direct a 5yr old to the best place for their needs is the problem.[/quote]

I see your points.

But what you're concluding is that we abide disruptive and violent behaviors until we have solved the underfunding of public schools and all the social ills which are allegedly to blame for some parents simply refusing to parent - parents of ALL colors, by the way.

So since those problems have not been solved in centuries, we are basically choosing to let anarchy be the status quo in public schools and other youth programs going forward.

And we're wondering why there is a desperate shortage of educators at all levels?[/quote]

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