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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Should have applied to one of those reaches ED (Barnard, Davidson, Wash U) instead of to HYP SCEA or Brown ED. The UC schools aren't taking hardly any out of state students any more - someone should've told her that.

[b]Top 20%/1500 isn't all that great, sorry.[/b] [/quote]

Only in your mind is this not great.[/quote]

I know what I'm talking about. Our unhooked DD had a 3.9+/1570 at a Big 3 school and was told that HYP was unlikely so the better play was to apply ED to another top school because RD is a crapshoot.

I'm not saying the kid isn't great, but the stats aren't.[/quote]

Those stats are absolutely fine for HYP…but the CCO knew there were 10 double legacy kids to those schools and athletes, etc applying and those schools are only taking X kids from the school…because that is all they take year in and year out[/quote]

Yes you just hit the nail on the head. Students are competing with their classmates. Need to be savvy about not applying where others have hooks better than yours. Student in my kid’s class is a triple legacy at Stanford and also really bright in their own right so that school is completely off the table for my high stats kid. [/quote]

Ok i like where this discussion is headed because we are getting deep and real now.

We have a Big 3 3.8+!1500 kid who was rejected at all reaches (including a legacy REA) and admitted at two targets and safeties.

What I wish CCO did with us was to be very upfront about what you say. Instead we noticed a lot of double talk and no clear guidance. Never was told I would not apply to X because there is a VIP double legacy and a works class athlete  applying there. And that college only ever takes one from our school if any. Instead was told “it will be tough but if it’s in your heart, then apply”.

Maybe inspect too much from CCO and they can’t be that honest. I found that the busy body parents were subtly gathering info on where top academic kids were applying early at parent cocktail parties. Their kids were too

We are also at the school where they don’t use data or share scattergrams at all. So we and 17 year old were left reading tone and body language over zoom from our CCO. Never given factual or hard data driven advice.

That said it’s all a lottery and my kid didn’t win a reach lottery.

One more thing - this thread discusses whether we have kids there at BUg 3 to get onto T20. Answer for me - sort of. First priority is a great education. But for a kid in the top 10-12 kids in the class, I did actually expect back when our kid started 10 years ago at this Big 3 that being legacy at a HYP and being from a Big 3 would help with Top 20.

It didn’t for us. I’m not upset at the Big 3 for that. The game changed entirely after class of 2019 and those attributes our kid had were no longer what institutional priorities are at T20. Just a very solid academic EC kid but not a world class anything. and not URM.

Our kid will still have an amazing life so zero bitterness here. Kid  has a great education, will go to a solid university and will hopefully shine there.

I do have some lingering bitterness at the CCO at our Big 3 not being more data driven, direct and clear in list formation. That’s very specific to our school that is known for its “relax” and “trust the kid’s feelings and their heart” attitude. I truly dislike that and found that lack of clear communication actually way stressed out the process because I actually ended up not trusting time at all and not being relaxed.

When the next kid goes through this we will be much more direct asking CCO hard questions about who else applying VIP multi hooked and using ED more wisely and actuallly not trusting Big 3 CCO platitudes.

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What is a target for a kid like this? [/quote]

Well, you can target schools that don't give a bump to legacy...MIT, Amherst, CalTech (not sure what others...just listing some tops).  MIT & CalTech don't really care about sports either...MIT does care, but not nearly as much as Ivy schools.  You could also target Top 20 that have fairly high ED acceptance rates... Wash U is one of those.  Imagine there are a couple of others with 40%+ ED rates.

Just some examples...if all you really care about is Top 20.[/quote]

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