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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I am not convinced that somehow schools, or social media or video games are the culprit.  Or that men have become significantly less social, educated or "desirable" over time (probably the opposite). But in terms of the mating game, the acute economic pressure that was on women e.g. in 1950, to find a husband is probably close to gone today (and the social pressure has correspondingly abated as well).  So if 30% of men are attractive mates, 40% average, and 30% subpar, and this has remained steady over time, there is really no reason women today would date the bottom 30% or even 50%, whereas 40-50 years ago they would have no other feasible option, and 20-30 years ago the social pressure would have still been fairly intense.

I'm not sure you could unwind this dynamic now or why we would even want to.[/quote]

The shifting role of men means they need to become relevant, which they are, but they’ve seemed to have lost their way. Men need to see dating and marriage as a partnership and not the traditional way marriage has played out.[/quote]

Right but then men, at least as a class, actually have to [i]improve[/i]. If previously, all the bottom 30% had to offer was a paycheck or basic physical protection to get a mate, obviously that is not necessarily going to cut it anymore. So these guys have to become more pro-social, egalitarian, educated, whatever--which sure, would be great, but seems a bigger endeavor than just cutting video game time or changing some company's recruiting strategy.[/quote]

All men have to be above average if they want a partner. [/quote]

All women are not above average.  Why do men need to be?[/quote]

Because women want a man who is better educated and earns more than they do while also doing 50% of everything else. [/quote]

I’m a woman who wants that. If I can’t find it, I just won’t date or marry. And?[/quote]

And ... good luck with that, sincerely. On an individual level, people should do what they want. There is nothing wrong with your aspirations. But, if enough women have similar aspirations, there will be some societal downsides that we'll have to cope with one way or another. [/quote]

Eh, there are societal downsides to women having no options, too.

Fewer people in relationships they don’t want is better for everyone, including society.[/quote]

Society is seeing the downsides.  Increases in mass shootings, the overdose epidemic that killed 100,000 people last year, etc.[/quote]

Women generally aren't the ones killing themselves and others because they're alone. Maybe they're not getting the fairy tale they were sold as kids, but they're managing. 
The hard truth is that men seem to need women, or seem to think they need women, in order to function. They also seem to want women to be a desperate underclass so they'll all have one. 
Well, we aren't going backwards. Of course life was easier for men when women had no choice but to live with them. Life was also easier for a select group of people when the majority of other people had ho human rights. But we're better than that now. And society has evolved. 
So men have two options. They can work on being the kind of men women want to date/f--k/marry. Or they can complain, drop out of society, complain, and harm themselves and others. 
That's it. That's how it is. [/quote]

Men (and women) have [b]more than two options[/b]. These types of reductive arguments are unhelpful.[/quote]

So name one. And it can't be "make women slaves again". [/quote]

Someone upthread suggested delayed school entry for boys.  That's one possibility.  Encourage boys to socialize more.  Haven't seen any others.

We have, as a society, focused on girls for the past couple decades.  Maybe we could focus on boys for the next couple.  Or just focus on children.[/quote]

Give me a break with your “focused on girls.” Do you mean trying to level the playing field and call men out for sexual abuse? Please give specific examples of how girls have been favored. Here are a few facts about women in 2020s. This is supposedly a “woman’s world?”

In 2021, nearly 20 percent of girls said they had been victims of violent sexual behavior. More than one in 10 had been raped, they said. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cdc-sexual-attacks-teen-girls-increased-lockdown-rcna70782

Women Are Nearly Half of U.S. Workforce but Only 27% of STEM Workers
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/01/women-making-gains-in-stem-occupations-but-still-underrepresented.html

American women lag substantially behind men in terms of their representation in leadership positions.

In the legal profession, women are 45 percent of associates but only 22.7 percent of partners and 19 percent of equity partners.8
In medicine, they represent 40 percent of all physicians and surgeons9 but only 16 percent of permanent medical school deans.10
In academia, they have earned the majority of doctorates for eight consecutive years11 but are only 32 percent of full professors and 30 percent of college presidents.12
In the financial services industry, they constitute 61 percent of accountants and auditors, 53 percent of financial managers, and 37 percent of financial analysts.13 But they are only 12.5 percent of chief financial officers in Fortune 500 companies.14 https://www.americanprogress.org/article/womens-leadership-gap-2/

Women in Congress As of January 3, 2023, there are 124 women in the U.S. House of Representatives (not including four female non-voting delegates), making women 28.6% of the total.

In 2022, for every $1 that men make, women earn $0.82 cents. This is the same as last year. 
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-106041

Women occupy only 10 percent of top management positions in S&P 1500 companies. They hold just 19 percent of S&P 1500 board seats. They are just 26.5 percent of executive and senior officials and managers, 11 percent of top earners, and 4.8 percent of CEOs in S&P 500 companies.

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