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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Nobody gets admitted because of race. It's not a bump. Don't  believe it. If there's a toss up between equals and a college realizes their students all are alike, then maybe on occasion given all other things equal someone might get a second look, but all things are equal so it's just the luck of teh draw at that point. Even lying about about race for a scholarship only puts you in the hunt, you're still competing against others on stats. Nobody gets a scholarship just because they are of a certain race, they simply might qualify for it. Even the most diverse colleges fall many percentages points under the representative average of most races, especially Black and Brown.[/quote]

Total BS. Race is critical in admissions to top 20.[/quote]

Yet there are limited spots.  Everyone believes this check box works magic, but even if an applicant can check the box (name your definition) there are far, far more applicants than seats. If the box disappears it won't make way for all the applicants who's parents are here whining. There will be just as many DCUM many rejections as ever. There are something like 300 black students in the Harvard freshman class. It doesn't matter what your kid has done, there are definitely 300 AA kids in the country who are smarter and more accomplished, that is not controversial. Still, if those students [i]are[/i] somehow pushed aside, there are still thousands of applicants better than yours.  Not gonna happen.[/quote]

DP.  Why does the discussion get to be about 'society' from your perspective and 'my kid' from my perspective?  All we want is fairness.  Does anyone deny the historic injustice to Blacks and Native Americans? Absolutely not! Should we expect Institutions to set aside a certain portion of their seats/opportunities for those groups? Absolutely!  Let's legalize that and establish a percentage.  Let's also define when that will stop (maybe after one generation goes to college? maybe after a generation hits an income threshold?).  What bothers us is this nebulous, 'universities know best' attitude, especially when I'm subsidizing their existence through tax breaks.  Sure, my kid may not smart enough to get into Harvard (he actually is not smart enough), but that's not the point.  How do I, the subsidizer of those institutions, get to be sure that the kid who did get in IS indeed more deserving of that opportunity, based on my terms (since, you know, I subsidize their existence)?[/quote]

Just do away with all non-profit status then.  The extent to which you are subsidizing a given college is minimal, and nothing compared to some of the other loons like churches who behave badly while getting a tax write-off.[/quote]

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