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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]"DP here. URMs absolutely have lower test scores and GPAs for admittance to T25. You have to be really, really, really out of the loop not to know that. White kids and Asian kids would never get admitted with most of the URM scores and GPAs. It is not good or bad, it just is."

You're clueless. Their scores as a group might be lower that those of the wealthy white kids with professional parents who attended college. But no POC at a top school is getting in with a score that low. It would be pretty difficult to keep up with the ultra high achievers if you couldn't at least score in the top quintile, and it's really rare for URM students to flunk out of the most elite schools. [/quote]
DP.

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The chart doesn’t support that URM students are getting into Harvard (or Yale) with 1090 scores. The chart supports that the scores are at least at the 90% percentile, which is why the OP called BS on the original post. Big difference between 1090 and 1390. The OP didn’t claim that the scores for URM students are the SAME for white and Asian students. [/quote]
that chart shows what the chart shows.. that the average black students admitted to Harvard have a much lower score than their Asian American counter parts.

You are being obtuse if you don't realize that Asian Americans have to far outperform every single group to be admitted to those schools.[/quote]

Nope.

Asian Americans are admitted at 3X + their population. Already admitted at high rates. SFFA is crying "discrimination" but many applicants for limited spots. The SAT isn't everything. [/quote]
well, now you're moving the goal posts. This particular thread was about test scores.

Fact is that Asian Americans have to outperform every group in every way, not just SATs, to get in.

Also, who says college admissions should reflect the demographics of the country?

If they are admitted at 3x their population that just says they are super performers.   [/quote]

DP. No PP isn't. THeir point about SAT not meaning that much is valid, and this thread is not particularly about test scores.
No they don't. They need to not perform similarly and bring similar assets to the table. If several kids submit for CS with robotics club, violin and AIME and high SATs, how many of those should they take and still expect to have a diverse community? Yes, this sounds like a stereotype, but it is the case for many kids at our magnet. Many kids have paths dictated by parents, and those become very similar.
When you ask about reflecting demographics, your underlying supposition is that college's should be able to admit the students they think will bring the most to their campus. You argue against yourself here.
No it doesn't. It could easily suggest that they come from cultural groups that value certain aspects of education and invest with lots of enrichment.[/quote]
So, it's unfair to stereotype OP's URM kid but it's fair to stereotype Asian American students.

OK, here it goes.

Many URM parents don't really care about education that's why their kids perform so poorly in school. They spend money and time on things they value, like bling, and not education, like tutors and violin lessons.  If their kids are failing in school they blame the teachers or racism  or anyone/anything else other than themselves.

See how that goes?[/quote]

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