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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I want to support bikers and alternative methods of transportation, but the infrastructure is inadequate to do this safely and bikers want it both ways - obey the traffic laws when it’s in their interest and not when it’s not. Bikers traveling quickly alongside cars, darting out between cars, and not obeying road signs is anxiety provoking. Also, sometimes I just do not see them. If bikers are in the countryside on a heavily traveled road, like Georgetown Pike, they’re taking their lives in their hands. People don’t want to travel the Pike at 15mph and going around them can be treacherous and unreasonable with high traffic levels. Again, I want to support bikers, but I find that their presence on roadways is anxiety-provoking and oftentimes dangerous. [/quote]

This. Is. Why. They. Want. Protected. Lanes. [/quote]

For the dozen bikers each morning?

Why not create a path via side streets closed to commuters? [/quote]
You’re funny because you just have a hard time admitting that you don’t know what you’re talking about but will argue to the death anyway.

Having seen this play out in a few instances, the honest answer to your question is that, whenever bike lanes along the side streets more often than not requires the removal of residential parking spots. For most neighborhoods in DC, this is a third rail. The political opposition becomes almost impossible for DDOT to overcome. Installing bike lanes along mixed zones like Connecticut Ave is actually a lot easier politically for DDOT. Despite the protestations of the MD commuter class, they don't vote in DC elections.[/quote]

You are acting as if dc residents don’t drive to work. They do. [/quote]

A minority of DC commuters drive to work. Check the census stats on this.[/quote]

Not any more. Post-COVID, 49% of commuters drive alone, an increase from 39% in 2019. A further 2% carpool. So now it’s a majority.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of your story. Cool story anyway bro. [/quote]

Interestingly, you don’t accompany these claims with any reference whatsoever.[/quote]
It’s funny that every time you try to use data it just shows how ignorant you are. If you are going to claim to know something, at least know what you are talking about. It’s like you are projecting the fact that you make up stats so you think everyone does. You are obviously not aware of the MWCOG. [/quote]

Lots of angry words. Not a single reference. Without one, we should assume your data is made up.[/quote]
MWCOG = Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments.

Not surprised that you are unaware of their regional transportation surveys. [/quote]

How nice you can spell out an acronym. Too bad that you've failed yet again to produce a link to an actual survey result.

Also, "Metropolitan Washington" encompasses but is distinct from DC. The Census Bureau is the most reliable source of statistics for the modes used by commuters who live and work in DC. Their statistics disagree with you.[/quote]
I’m not going to provide a link to their website or provide you any other additional info about MWCOG. I’m just going to sit back and watch you continue to make a fool of yourself. LOL. [/quote]

Of course, you're not going to provide a link! It's a rather hard thing to do when you make things up.[/quote]
If you don’t know who the MWCOG and what their role is in regional transportation policy then you have nothing of value to say about this subject. Furthermore, it’s just comical that you cannot even figure out how to use Google to find out for yourself.

It’s like you’re fully committed to ignorance. Which I kind of respect in a way. [/quote]

You don't understand the distinction between DC and the "National Capital Region", do you? So much for ignorance . . .

Also, the 2022 MCWOG statistics you are so enamored with (https://www.mwcog.org/documents/2022/09/20/state-of-the-commute-survey-report--carsharing-state-of-the-commute-telework-travel-surveys/) do not agree with you. See page 14 of the 2022 report.[/quote]
Bravo that you have finally figured out how to use Google. Unfortunately you don’t know how to read. The chart on p.14 includes telework. Baby steps. You’ll get there. [/quote]

This is funny. The sampling frame for the MWCOG survey differs from the reference population in question. But even that survey contradicts your argument. So you just pulled numbers off the top of your head so that you could win a point on some meaningless debate on DCUM?[/quote][/quote]
[b]I don’t have “an argument”.[/b] I have presented survey data from MWCOG that shows that people commuting to work riding alone in cars increased from a pre-pandemic 39% to a current 49%. This was in response to you claiming that a “minority” of DC residents use cars to commute. This is no longer true. You seem to have a serious cognitive problem with this fact, like nervous breakdown level problem, which is hilarious. I’m enjoying it. So keep it up. [/quote]

DP. Well that much is abundantly clear. I've seen better command of logic and rhetoric at middle school forensics competitions, and yet you feel that you're in a position to condescend. Yikes...[/quote]
I know understand what your deal is. You think that life is high school debate club and that facts are malleable in service of some sort of “argument”. I am sorry to disappoint you, but sometimes facts are just facts. Like the fact that the majority of DC residents use cars to get to work in the year 2022. Apparently this is an inconvenient fact to you, but you know, sometimes the truth is scary and we have have to deal with it.[/quote]

NP here, but the fact that most D.C. residents use cars to get to work doesn't automatically mean all transportation policy should be oriented around encouraging driving. Part of the point of changing road design is to make it easier for people who can drive less to do so. Starting from that premise, it doesn't matter that more people drive than bike or take transit.[/quote]
DC has invested hundreds of millions over the past decade in promoting alternate modes, including bikes. The result is that the number of people who prefer to travel via personal car has increased.  🤷‍♀️[/quote]

But yet there are no actual statistics you can use to support that point.[/quote]
2011 MWCOG survey had 33% of DC residents driving alone. In 2022 it is 49%.

LOL.[/quote]

MW .= DC[/quote]
You really should not post if you are going to keep embarrassing yourself. MWCOG breaks out their survey results by jurisdiction, which makes sense because DC and other regional governments are part of MWCOG and these local governments use the MWCOG survey data for transportation planning purposes.[/quote]

You say that but can’t produce a single reference to back up any of your claims.[/quote]
I refuse because you sadly are outside your depth. It is sad really that you just make up things in your head. The fact that you don’t even what what MWCOG is and their function is a huge red flag that I am not engaging with someone who is worth my time. You are welcome to go and read, research and learn and at that stage I would be happy to share the reports with you. If you actually cared and believe in this topic, you would do the minimum to actually learn about what you are talking about instead of shrieking and making up things. But it is clear that you don’t which is why I don’t care enough to engage with you more than at this level. It is up to you and the ball is roundly in your court.[/quote]

This is a beautiful case study in gaslighting. When normal people make claims they know that they can back up with data will refer you to the document, page, and table that the data is drawn from. But then you have people like the poster here who, after being repeatedly asked to provide a reference for their claims, writes a long and strange paragraph that purports to explain why it is your problem that they can’t provide a simple citation. It’s like the kid in middle school who claimed to have all the cool toys at home but always found an excuse for not inviting any of their friends around to see them. The English language has a simple word for such people: liars.

And sure enough, if you dig out the reference that this poster is apparently referring to - the 2022 State of the Commute Survey Technical Report (https://www.mwcog.org/file.aspx?D=qghB7EAb9ACu0dAhiMjETIzwI%2bj4aUir8M%2bIvYcJrwo%3d&A=cBtFQCixckhshiVQUklOIDK4WW05Su79oStk3AKwNK0%3d), one can confirm that they are indeed engaged in naked misrepresentation.

Some of you may recall that the back and forth started when the previous poster claimed that a majority of DC resident commuted by car. Table 5 on page 21 has the statistics that answer this question, but unsurprisingly they differ from what the previous poster claimed. Among those who actually commuted - not worked from home - only 43% drove or carpooled. The proportions who biked or walked stayed more or less the same between 2019 and 2022, but the samples are very small.

So what about the 49% + 2% = 51% number that was the previous poster was harping on? This seems to come from Figure 5. This is curious for a couple of reasons. First, this is for the entire metro area, which extends to Frederick, Loudon County, Calvert, and Charles counties. Second, the 49% number is only obtained by summing the primary and secondary modes - this is not kosher because primary and secondary modes across all types gives you a number greater than 100% - double-counting in other words.

The more appropriate statistic is given by Figure 4, which displays mode shares as a percentage of weekly work days. Driving is 40% here and, again, this is for the entire metro area.

With all that said, I’m at a loss to explain why this matters in the first place. It’s not like the mode that reaches a majority - or plurality - of commutes wins all of the road space. Moreover, whether cyclists represent 2% or 5% of commuters, the share of commuters who bike to work is still a hell of a lot higher than 24 /  1500, which is the ratio of the miles of protected bike lanes to the miles of DC roads.[/quote]

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