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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]"Anti-breastfeeding poster" here (I'm not against breastfeeding, I EBFed for 6 months and kept it up until 14 months). Here's a quote from the NYTimes about the new guidelines. The AAP has messed up before (we know this because they have previously retracted guidance that severely harmed some children) and they have messed up again. It is not uncommon for subject matter experts to know a lot about their subject but very little about how to interpret data, and there is no doubt in my mind that this is a BIG issue at the AAP.

"The new guidelines suggest that in the first week after birth, “pediatricians should discourage the use of nonmedically indicated supplementation with commercial infant formula.” The 2012 A.A.P. statement was more subtle, advising that pediatricians encourage “support of practices that avoid nonmedically indicated supplementation with commercial infant formula.”

The difference may seem like a minor point — supporting breastfeeding practices versus discouraging formula use — but it matters. “[b]Nonmedically indicated” is subjective, [/b]and the updated admonition concerns me. There are reports, such as this one from The Atlantic and this one from CNN, about mothers who’ve been pressured by lactation consultants, nurses or pediatricians to reject formula in the early days of their children’s lives, and as a result their babies lost a dangerous amount of weight and, in rare circumstances, became gravely ill."

These New Breastfeeding Guidelines Ignore the Reality of Many American Moms https://nyti.ms/3am1C5s[/quote]

That is untrue. There are highly publicized guidelines for what percentage of dropped birthweight indicates supplementation with formula in the days and weeks after birth. [/quote]

Yet there are babies who have been denied formula despite needing it. Is it really necessary to double down against formula, as these guidelines clearly do, despite the outright lies from previous posters on this thread?[/quote]

There are also babies who have been denied breast milk, and had the nursing relationship undermined, despite it being a viable option, because those same nurses and pediatricians don’t tell them their baby is within normal range for breastfed. Practitioners not following the best practices doesn’t mean those best practices don’t exist.[/quote]

baby starver![/quote]

Oh gosh you again? My baby is fine. She never had formula. She got syringe-fed my hand expressed milk because a nurse berated me to tears about how small she was and how fast she was losing weight. The next morning the pediatrician said she was completely fine, wholly within normal, and corrected the nurse. So I spent the night after I delivered a baby hand expressing the worlds most pathetic drops of colostrum because someone didn’t follow or “believe in” the published guidelines. That is a problem with a [b]person[/b] not with the [b]guidelines[/b].  It would have been [b]equally problematic[/b] if she had needed formula and not been offered it.

Given how much some families have struggled this year to find formula for their babies, undermining women who *want* to breastfeed and *can* breastfeed is even more disrespectful of womens time, unless you feel like driving 3-5 hours to secure formula is somehow compensated?[/quote]

You are off your rocker if you believe it is just as bad for you to have to hand express colostrum as it is to deny a starving baby formula. This is the problem with you sickos.[/quote]

Are you not the same person who just said how much she values women’s bodies and time? Because my body sure could have used the sleep and my time would have been much happier holding my baby than doing something wholly unnecessary because someone was “old school”. But I guess woman’s bodies only have value when that’s a convenient point for you?[/quote]

I absolutely value women's bodies but really? You think that's k st as bad as a starving baby? You're insane. [/quote]

Please provide a single documented instance in the United States, Canada or Europe of a baby of 12-16 hours old starving to death due to lack of formula. I’ll wait.[/quote]

I am not sure why you are setting this arbitrary timeline of 12-16 hours but there are absolutely documented cases of babies starving either to death or to the point of having brain damage in their first days of life because they were dined formula. All you have to do is read the link cited in the first post above which links to the documented cases. I'm sure you'll come up with another lie to justify this, and you can go to hell as far as I care.[/quote]

Because my baby was 12 hours old when the nurse told me I “had” to supplement “immediately”. She was 18 hours old when the pediatrician told the nurse she was out of line. At 16 hours I passed out so I can’t take responsibility for what happened after that.

Yes there are documented cases of babies dying from dehydration because their medical providers failed them. In many cases because they are *not* following published guidelines. But bad practitioners are bad practitioners regardless of the side of this debate they fall on, and that doesn’t mean the guidelines themselves are subjective . [/quote]

Oh you're making baby starving incidents about YOU specifically. Got it. Since the new guidelines place further pressure on practitioners to avoid formula for no clear reason, yes I am worried that more bad practitioners will err on the side of avoiding formula. I get why you are not concerned about this because a baby having brain damage thanks to being denied formula is apparently equally bad as you being made to hand express colostrum.[/quote]

And what about the time a mother who wanted to breastfeed but is undermined from doing so will spend looking for formula in this current shortage? What about the mothers who could have— if properly supported— breastfed, but who will instead dilute their infant formula to make it stretch longer particularly in a recession. Does that baby’s malnutrition matter to you as much as yelling “Baby Starver” at a stranger on the internet?  Do their experiences also not matter, as mine clearly doesn’t, because it doesn’t support your narrative?

Go back to work in Abbott PR. But please wash your hands first. [/quote]

Of course you think anyone who disagrees with you is in league with the formula companies. And I bet you love this formula shortage so you can yell "gotcha" about women who were "undermined". If fewer women used formula there would be even less supply so gtfooh with your formula shaming.[/quote]

No. I think someone who yells “baby starver!” at strangers on the internet who suggested adhering to the published guidelines on supplementing, but doesn’t care about babies [b]currently hospitalized for malnutrition[/b] in several states due to a formula shortage is definitely not motivated by an interest in fed, healthy babies.

I think someone who yells about the value of a mothers time and body but doesn’t see that value being diminished by anything other than breastfeeding is not motivated by supporting or empowering women.

So yeah, a profit driven company whose main competition is breastfeeding does really fit the bill for you. [/quote]

Everything you just said is completely bonkers and unrelated to anything I said. Maybe you'll realize that one day you psychopath.[/quote]

Please go back to yelling baby starver at people who feed their babies, and continue to tell us how driving around to find formula doesn’t cost mothers time. It really underscores your thoughtful, balanced positions on this. [/quote]

You get that blatantly making up sh&t I definitely did not say makes you sound almost as insane as when you said being told to hand express colostrum is equally bad as a baby starving, right?[/quote]

You get that everyone can read everything you said because that’s how message boards work, right? [/quote]

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