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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My son (who is Black) was in the 95th percentile on MAP-R at a "focus" school, was placed in the lottery, did not get in the regional CES. Not sure how or if this matches the anecdotes already gathered in this thread.

I'll admit to a little pang because I was in "GT" classes when I was a kid and I have a love/hate relationship with that label. But staying in his home school is probably a better move for him, and I feel confident that his needs will be met. [/quote]

[b]You should appeal this decision. [/b][/quote]

WHY. Why should this parent appeal?

I'm a flaming progressive that would be happy to have race be a consideration, but it's not.

So what is there to appeal? A 95th percentile kid WAS put in the lottery pool, but then wasn't randomly selected? Just like tons of other 90th, 95th and 99th percentile kids, because there are more of them than slots available?

Thus...?[/quote]

I would like to believe it is an absolutely fair lottery game. Your case support it.[/quote]

There is a race consideration, it's just not explicit because that would be unlawful. By locally norming students' scores, MCPS made it easier for kids at high FARMS schools to qualify for the pool than kids from low FARMS schools. Because FARMS rates correlate so closely with how many underrepresented minority students attend a school, it was the best MCPS could do under the law to make the pool more racially diverse and less white. Was about time, especially in light of the prior conversations above about how many (mostly white/asian) parents used to game the system by paying for tutors and prep classes to make sure their kids score high on the entrance tests.[/quote]

I wonder if there's a case for disparate impact racial discrimination based on the local norming?[/quote]

Local morning is considered a best practice for G&T program selection, but in the case of CES has almost no impact since children in all but a few cases are competing against similar SES schools.[/quote]

Yeah I mean, fine if they want to use local norming to find students in lower SES school environments who would benefit from and succeed in a CES type environment. I just don’t quite get the logic of using norming to lower a student’s score and erect barriers for a high performing student from a higher SES school. Why is the child with a 95tb percentile having their “standardized” test averaged downward and gaslighted/denied enrichment because you needed to norm other kids’ scores upward when those students are not headed to the same regional CES anyway? [/quote]

Look at it this way. The kids getting "normed" out of the pool were the edge cases anyway. It's not the 95th percentile kids dropping out of the pool - it's the 86th percentile kids in the highest SES schools. Those kids woudn't have even been in the pool under the old system, so it's the same difference in the end. [/quote]

Are you saying that kids from high SES schools who scored in the 96th percentile on the national scale (before MCPS drove down/locally normed their score to the 84th percentile on the MCPS high SES scale) would never have been considered for the program in years past? I didn't realize the bar was that high to qualify before they started using local norming and the lottery.[/quote]

Well, my kids attended a CES at a Focus school years ago before all these changes and many neighbor kids with 97% and 98% natioanl CogAT were rejected. I don't think the SES of an area is as big a factor as some people seem to imagine.[/quote]

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