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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP of this thread here and the forced birthers have amply proven the fatuousness of their arguments, basically arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin but missing the actual point which is:

You’re overjoyed to punish women. Like you’re clearly giddy about it. The hateful politics of forced birtherism - and yes, it has its roots in the patriarchy and organized, conservative religion - exist to punish women for existing, but especially to punish women for imagining that they should have some say what happens to their body.

Sepsis wards will be back. Children will be left motherless. Women will be maimed and made sterile and families who wanted to have more children will be broken. This is the real deal, not whether or not a zygote is a human.

The state cannot even compel someone to donate blood, yet here it is, compelling women to donate their body and life to a state they don’t want. If you say, “well, they chose to have sex!” I’m willing to play along in your Pollyanna world in which women and girls are always granted bodily autonomy (although your forced birth politics prove that they are not). It doesn’t matter. Humans get to say what happens to their bodies, especially something as life altering as pregnancy and birth.

Carry on with your cruelty though, but be aware that the game is up. No one believes you give a rat’s about life anymore. You just hate women. [/quote]

You’re simply close minded.  You think you know better than everyone else and have shut your mind to the possibility that the issue is NOT about a woman’s choice at all. It’s about something more fundamental… when does human life begin? But, go ahead and hate all men. That is your prerogative.

As far as the state … they can take peoples lives (death penalty) … they can put people in prison. They do this to a lot more men then women too, so does the state hate men too? No, the state is simply a reflection of the people and the people in some states are very religious and elect and vote upon those lines[b]. It’s not because they hate women, it is because they believe an unborn fetus is a person and thou shalt not kill.[/b] Funny enough they also believe in an eye for an eye so they vote for the death penalty. Anyhow, you’ll continue to never convince anyone of your point of view due to your strong hatred of men and insistence that pro lifers are so because they hate women. Just a dumb argument. [/quote]

This.  I often see the argument from liberal pro-choice voters that the pro life crowd hates women.  I disagree.  I am pro-choice and a moderate but grew up in a very conservative, almost fundamentalist society.  My impression is that this group of people thinks you’re killing a baby.  If anything, the women are ignored.  There isn’t anymore hatred of women than from the left.  If anything, they think women should be worshipped and that their job of giving birth is an important one.  There seemed to be almost an obsession with having babies and raising a family.  I truly don’t think they hate women anymore than any other  group hates women.  If anything it’s just a strong opinion that the fetus is a baby.

I also don’t think that many liberal pro-choice voters understand how many people don’t support killing babies.  My own husband is fairly liberal and after recent ultrasounds has talked about how he could never support a woman getting an abortion.  That it’s cruel.  Objectively, I support abortion fully but I also recognize and understand why people dislike it. [/quote]

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