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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous] I disagree that sports and movies aren't seen as crises. There are absolutely people objecting to the NFL on the grounds of economic and medical expoitation- I'm one of them. The concussion reports, the exposure of black players compensation for injuries etc. And the Me Too movement has brought people to acknowledge the massive exploitation in the entertainment i industry. That plus the accidental shooting recently.

And you must admit that we are at a tipping point in terms of female body autonomy and reproductive rights at this point in the US. I would love to think that we as a society could do surrogacy properly. But the fact that we are arguing if a child victim of rape/incest should be forced to give birth...that gives me pause that we can. Let's solve that first then we can move on. [/quote]

Not the poster you’ve been debating with.

I think this is a really interesting point!  You’re right that we have been discussing the issues/crises in sports and movies but I haven’t heard anyone propose we just stop making movies or make pro football illegal.  I’ve heard arguments for more transparency, better regulation, sane working conditions, etc.  But nobody saying “Actually, Hollywood isn’t worth the risk.  Let’s cancel the industry.”

But your point re: abortion rights is well taken by me — we have so much forced birth in the country, I can see the argument that surrogacy opens the door to more.  Not 100% sure I’m convinced but I think you make a very good point and I need to think more about it.  FWIW, I’m in the altruistic surrogacy only camp by default but I’ve found the debate on this thread very interesting and sometimes thought provoking.[/quote]

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