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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My kids happen to be excellent conversationalists. Even better, they know when to speak, when to be quiet, and how to assert themselves without dominating a conversation. 
In other words, the skills they need to get good feedback from other people.

The are plenty of opportunities to speak when they are wanted. But the #1 skill in life is knowing when you are wanted and when you aren't. The world doesn't revolve around your "genius" kid and it never will.

Geniuses are a dime a dozen. Geniuses with good social skills are extremely successful.[/quote]

Maybe they are "excellent conversationalists" now, with their schoolgroup.  That's a far cry from being excellent conversationalists at, say, a state dinner, or at an elite college, or at a formal dinner with VIPs.  If you want to prepare your kid to truly feel comfortable in every social situation, conversing with adults is a great way to do it.

And hey, it's important to remember that kids develop at different rates.  Certain kids are happy to play with play-doh and play tag until they're 14.  Certain kids can be having conversations about civil war history at 6.  Some kids can do both.  But there is no need to try to stifle a child's development, and, if you do- you might admit that parenting is not your forte.[/quote]
My child can talk about many topics. DC can read about something and can remember all of it and discuss it thoroughly. It is impressive. DC is only 8 years old and has the vocabulary of many adults. If you don’t want to listen to my DC speak, you can leave. If you want to discuss “adult topics” my house, with my kids present, you are not welcome to do so. No one wants to discuss your silly sex life or other vacuous topics that you find so interesting.[/quote]

Yup one right here. In a few years your 8 yo will be a lonely 13 yo. [/quote]
And that awkward child as an adult will be operating on your diseased brain or finding a new treatments for cancer, while your DC will be sitting in a cubicle or playing Fortnight.

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DP.  Oh please. That awkward child is just as likely, if not more so, of becoming the weird guy in the office who seems smart but doesn't know how to interact with his colleagues or clients and doesn't have the EQ to rise up through the ranks.[/quote]
Really. Do you actually know any successful surgeons, scientists, etc.? In general, these types of people tend to not possess great social skills, probably due to having higher IQs. Many of these people were socially awkward kids.[/quote]

Yes and you are incorrect. The top scientists start their own companies, especially in biomed. Most of the biomed $ comes from VC, so the ability to sell your idea, be charming, work the network is crucial in obtaining financing. There's a limited pot of money and everyone is competing for it.  At bigger companies (Abbott, Merk) is corporation as usual even for scientists, so the ability to get ahead and get promoted is directly related to the social network, like everywhere. For regular doctors (peds, family doctors, ob-gyns, dentists), the ability to relate with the patients in order to keep their business is crucial. For some other practices, like dermatology and plastic surgery, marketing is everything. I'm not even getting into what it takes to become a MCO at any medical company or big chain, like Inova. The only place in medicine for anti-social people is radiology, but good luck getting hired first. And the highest IQ levels are correlated with more anxiety and mood disorders and ASD, so the truly genius people would not make great surgeons anyway. These unsocial kids are the ones playing video games in a basement and have the potential to commit mass murders; the other ones are playing sports and learning how to deal with disappointments, working in teams, navigate social interactions, communicating with others to get what they want. NP here with 3 generations in medicine.

From Allen J Bard, and this guy is SMART: I think the best advice is if you want to be successful, you have to work very hard. Hard work and [b]your personality and the way you approach the world is more  important than your fundamental intelligence. [/b]I have seen a lot of very smart people not succeed in what they wanted to do, and I have seen a lot of people who weren't that smart do very, very well. [/quote]
Well, how about Mark Zuckerberg, Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, they are/were real social butterflies, prom kings probably.[/quote]

The PP asked about scientists and surgeons, not business men. Elon was selling candy door to door as a child and sold a video game he created at 12, so he's always been great at marketing. He's not antisocial. [/quote]

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