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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Almost every Westernized country says so. It’s (healthcare for its citizens) a sign of a civilized educated nation. [/quote]

Yeah but the thing nobody wants to mention is how difficult is to immigrate to these countries compared to the US. I tried to see if I could work in Toronto after college - it was next to impossible, I didn’t have the right skills. I’m pretty educated and have a good job in the States.[/quote]

This is true. It's also true that universal coverage generally applies to citizens, not non-citizens, and only emergency aid (with high bills) is given otherwise. [/quote]

Have we been watching the same Democratic debates? Because that’s not what Warren and others have been proposing - decriminalizing the border, providing a pathway to citizenship, & then Medicare for All. I don’t believe you can have both.[/quote]

Her specific reiterated quote has been "affordable health care for every American." I suppose you could argue about what is meant by "American." I suspect it is clarified in her platform, but I haven't looked in that detail because I am not going to be voting for her.

But generally, as I said (in reference to other countries with universal coverage), coverage is limited to citizens and legal permanent residents. [/quote]

She raised her hand in reference to “would your plan cover undocumented immigrants?”, did she not?[/quote]

I don't know, because I'm not obsessed with following her. As I said previously, I'm not voting for her. I'm certainly not interested in defending her position to you.

As I said, generally other countries who have universal healthcare coverage limit it to citizens and legal permanent residents. Make of that what you will -- I don't care all that much, other than to have claims of fact that matter to me to be accurate. [/quote]

I don't think this is true.  Sorry.  I have friends and family members who travel a lot, who live both here and in other countries. Their interactions with countries with universal healthcare have been much more positive than friends of mine who have traveled to the US and had medical emergencies here.  Overseas sometimes they had zero charges for hospital stays, sometimes they have very reasonable (aka dirt cheap) charges for hospital stays. And the US bills for people who had emergencies here were over 100k.

My experience has really been the opposite of what you are claiming, so where do your claims come from?  I think it is just talking points but not based in fact. [/quote]

Name the countries. [/quote]

Sure. Italy (charged money but crazy low like under $50 for exam and cast) and Japan (hospital stay for over a week - zero charges). England also very, very cheap or no charge for urgent care situation. That was maybe 20 yrs ago and  I was there for that one but don't remember the details.

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