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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I understand if you’re a blended family but if you’re an observant Jew [b]I find it a bit vulgar that you’d display what is quite obviously become a Christian symbol of the celebration of the birth of Jesus[/b]. Other than some vacuous feelings of envy, what is the real motivation to have a celebratory tree?  Why aren’t traditional Jewish celebratory symbols sufficient? Sometimes a tree isn’t simply a tree.[/quote]

How many times do you need this explained to you?

How much evidence do you need to see that this is not true?

Your incorrect, and likely intentionally dishonest assertion will be shown to be wrong again and again.

An evergreen tree in the house at the winter solstice is a traditionally pagan practice that predates the Christian celebration of the birth of Christ.  If anyone should "find it a bit vulgar", it is pagans who should be angry that you are trying to mis-appropriate their symbol for your purposes. [/quote]

Not the PP you are responding to but did you miss their use of the word "become"?

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No, I did not miss that.

Things don't just "become".  History matters.  Ignorance of it does not constitute fact.[/quote]

Things DO become. [b]Appropriation is part of history[/b].   That something that became part of the culture of group Y originated in group X does not mean its not a charecteristic of group Y. Especially when the meaning changes.

There aren't any european pagans left (I mean aside from goofballs trying revivals on reddit, or sh*t like that)   The christmas tree is no longer a pagan thing. It survives ONLY because it became associated with the celebration of the birth of Christ.

A Jew with a tree is not celebrating Saturnalia (not that they should) or a Germanic winter solstice.  They are celebrating Christmas, which is THE only place that old pagan solstice customs survive.  Those customs are now linked with things like Christmas carols (which are sung by "secular" people of Christian background, doncha know).   No Jew gets a tree because their kids envy the pagans next door who are doing a tree and also chanting about wotan and thor, or Jupiter and Minerva.    They get them because they want to imitate their neighbors who are either Christians, or are descended from generations of Christians.

Look its okay that you want a tree, because your husbands parents had one, or because  Judaism is not important enough for you to care about its holidays and customs.  But this "oh its pagan" thing is a tired, cliched, excuse.

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Thanks for making the most important point -- that christians are the ones that appropriated the symbol, not the other way around!

I will also point out the irony of you saying "we can appropriate things, but you are not permitted to appropriate them back".  Niiiiice.

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