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DP... look at the stats. [b]As a group, they score lower.[/b]  Statistically, it is not possible to admit more URM without lowering the threshold or changing the standards to look at a "holistic" approach, whatever that means.

I am going to bring up the Ivy league/Jew comparison again.  When Jews became over represented at Harvard, what did Harvard admissions do?  They changed the standards and made it "holistic" to exclude more Jews and increase white admissions.  Why did they do that.. well, because statistically, white students couldn't score as high as the Jewish students.  This is still happening, btw, to Asian American students.  Yes, I understand why universities do it now.. they want "diversity", which is fine.  But, this type of admission standards is not based purely on merit, which a public ES magnet program should be.

Why do you think they changed the entrance exam from 2 hour to 30min, and why do they no longer show the median scores of the accepted students, split out by the three categories?  I can't think of a single valid reason why they would stop showing these scores.[/quote]

The average height of women in the US is 5 feet 4 inches tall. Therefore, all women in the US are 5 feet 4 inches tall.

That's the reasoning you're using. As a group, black and Latino kids score lower; therefore all black and Latino kids are lower-scoring kids.

Again, if you have evidence that MCPS is using race as a factor in admissions, you shouldn't waste your time posting on DCUM -- you should go straight to DOJ.[/quote]
Do you understand how statistics works?  The average height of a woman is 5'4".  The only way to make the average go up is to introduce taller people to the mix, or take the shorter people out.  The only way to change the test scores of a group that statiscally scores lower is to.. what?  They've tried to get the group's score to go up for *years*. It's not moving much. So, how do they get more of them represented in magnets?

I have zero evidence as do you of it either way because MCPS won't release any figures, including the  median test scores of the accepted students.  You have no idea why they stopped showing those scores, or why they reduced the test from two hours to 30min.  I don't have proof, but I can put two and two together.

METIS report recommends "broadening the definition of gifted" and increase the participation of URM in the programs; MCPS wants to close the achievement gap; the tests were changed; they  no longer report the median score of accpeted students.  What does this all mean?  Maybe my assumptions are wrong, but since MCPS wont' communicate the stats or the reasons behind all the change, I use "context clues" to come to my own conclusion.  That's fine if you don't want to make any assumptions based on all the changes, and just stick your head in the sand and say, "I'm sure MCPS would never lower the standards to close the achievement gap", but I do question MCPS on this, as do many.[/quote]

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