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Why did Russia invade Ukraine?[/quote]

Because Putin wanted to.

There's some complicated stuff about rebuilding the past and destroying democracy, etc.  But basically, Putin wanted to.  So he did.  [/quote]

Putin also saw the weakness of the Euro west.  The weakness of the Biden administration.  Putin saw the opportunity and seized it.[/quote]

Except it turns out he was wrong.  The EU, Biden Administration and Ukraine weren't and aren't weak.  So that just makes him stupid.[/quote]

Come on man. The escalation only came after Putin went beyond the two regions that are pro-Russian. If he would have just stopped there, the western world would not have done much else. It took an immense amount of international pressure for these leaders to come around to increasing the sanctions to include meaningful ones like SWIFT. Not just Putin, but most leaders thought that Ukraine would lose quickly and decisively against a Russian invasion. Thanks for the bravery and valor of Ukrainians, this did not happen. In this context, the EU took their sweet ass time deciding whether it was worth it to go against Russia and pay higher energy prices, and only came around to it after it became apparent that Ukraine was putting up a good fight and it became difficult to look themselves in the mirror.

Pathetic. [/quote]

Please explain to me how it should have gone differently. Diplomacy is a back and forth. A sovereign nation must be able to defend itself and Ukraine is not a NATO member. Russia taking on Ukraine is 1:1 because of that. If NATO countries directly got involved OR proceed to the strictest sanctions from the get it would be like using all of our missiles- but that doesnt mean the invaders stop AND it would be an escalation. Russia is not attacking any EU country nor the US- directly anyways. Its a threat absolutely but response to a threat must be measured or you can end up provoking a bully to act (initially or further) because youve embarrassed them or in essence, put gasoline on a smoldering fire.

Other countries needed to see whether Ukraine was actually willing to protect itself or it would turn into another Afghanistan- where another country is doing the fighting on behalf of another. The citizens of a country need to WANT to defend their sovereignty beyond stating it, it needs to be actionable. 
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You write this as if there was some consistent thought in place for dealing with Putin. There wasn't. Everyone is *surprised* at the degree to which the west has responded to Putin. This is especially true of Germany, whose new government was broadly viewed as more friendly to Russia. They had repeatedly refused to help Ukraine, using a variety of excuses such as that they won't send arms to conflict territory. They kept their defense spending to historical levels of about 1.1-1.2% GDP.

One of the key reasons why Putin was emboldened to invade Ukraine was because of the demonstrated weakness of NATO nations. The non-reaction by NATO nations during the first two days of invasion when he occupied Donbas was a confirmation to Putin that the west would do nothing meaningful, and therefore he pushed into the rest of the country. That the west finally woke up and did something is a surprise. [/quote]

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