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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What are the educated guesses for how this might end? [/quote]

Badly.[/quote]
For whom? Everyone or just Ukraine?[/quote]

IDK.  Compare NATO to the Allies in WW2.  Asking a country like Germany to pay more for NATO is not the same thing as dumping NATO.  Who in the USA really wants to dump NATO?  The political powerhouse supported by the squad and Bernie and that was after Putin rolled the tanks and started bombing Kyiv.  Perhaps the factions in the USA emboldened Russia?  Perhaps the fact we don't really have a secure border?

No NATO and countries could fall like dominos - same as WW2.  Poland, Baltic countries, former  East Germany, Moldova, Slovakia, Hungary.  Putin didn't only invade Donbass, the section where lots of ethnic Russians live and fighting has been going on since 2014.

Meanwhile the Democratic Socialists of America have called for disbanding NATO after Putin invaded Ukraine, blitzrieged through and into the Kyiv olbast Chernobyl exclusion zone from his Belarus, bombed cities in western Ukraine, etc.

February 26, 2022 DSA statement:  https://www.dsausa.org/statements/on-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/

"DSA reaffirms our call for the US to withdraw from NATO and to end the imperialist expansionism that set the stage for this conflict. We call on antiwar activists in the US and across the world to oppose violent escalations, demand a lasting diplomatic solution, and stress the crucial need to accept any and all refugees resulting from this crisis. Much of the next ten years are coming into view through this attack. While the failures of neoliberal order are clear to everyone, the ruling class is trying to build a new world, through a dystopic transition grounded in militarism, imperialism, and war. Socialists have a duty to build an alternative.

No war but class war.

Join DSA today. "[/quote]

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