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For top national universities such as Berkeley and UCLA, national demographics should be used not regional. Nationally, blacks make up about 12% of the population. Incoming black student population for Berkeley was 2.8% for 2015 and the total black student population for UCLA is 4.0% which are very small compared to 10 to 12 percent for other top schools. This is with unofficial Institutional Affirmative Action at UCs despite the ban in place.  [/quote]

NP-No, you should use state demographics to compare state school enrollment.  State schools give state residents preference in admissions; Cal and UCLA are no exception.  The prior PP is correct, California's two flagship universities' Black population is aligned with the state's Black population.  [/quote]

Berkeley's 2015 incoming black students: 2.8%
Stanford's 2015 incoming black students: 7.8%

Both schools are located in California and both use holistic admissions program so what makes Stanford's black student number significantly higher (almost 3 times) than Berkeley number even though both are in California and Stanford is supposedly more selective school (the most selective in the country)? Berkeley is even cheaper for black students who are California residents. Shouldn't Berkeley's numbers be higher for blacks?

You guessed it. Affirmative Action program at Stanford where race preference is significant.  [/quote]

UC Berkeley in-state cost is 36k, stanford's is $62k. Like the Ivys on the east coast, Stanford is expects nada, zero, nilch in financial support for families earning less than 125k. Anybody who can get into Stanford can get into UCB.  The money is at Stanford. Berkeley doesn't pass out that kind of financial assistance. [/quote]

Nope. You have to pay about $17,000.00 for approximately $125,000.00 HHI. The financial aid doesn't do you any good if you are not accepted first. Your post still doesn't explain why significantly higher percentage of blacks are admitted to Stanford than Berkeley except for the racial preference difference.[/quote]

Your numbers aren't admits. They are enrolled numbers. Big difference. And 17k is still significantly less than 36k. Moreover, all things being equal, Stanford all the way. [/quote]

Most in-state students at Berkeley pay 0 to 30% of the total expected cost. Typically between $7,000 to $16,000 so you can't make the cost argument. [/quote]

That's not true. They end up paying for it later in the school loans. [/quote]

Not really:

"Did You Know?

Sixty-one percent of Berkeley undergraduate students who graduated between July 1, 2013 and June 30, 2014 graduated without loan debt (Federal Direct Subsidized/Unsubsidized Loans, Federal Perkins Loans, private loans). The average cumulative loan debt for graduating seniors was $17,584. "

http://financialaid.berkeley.edu/tags/student-loans

17,584/4= 4.396 per year for 39% of the graduates. Not bad. That also works out to average of about $1,800 per year in student loan for all students! Not bad. Still making the cost argument?[/quote]

Hm, 77% of Stanford grads graduate with absolutely zero, none, nada debt. Yeah, I'm still making the cost argument.  No student loans. [/quote]

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