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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]...and, in addition to that, studies have shown that grades are more indicative of success then test scores.[/quote] If you're interested in how well test score predict college performance: http://www.isironline.org/isir-2015-invited-address-paul-sackett-nathan-kuncel/ They have a dataset that show that test scores predict academic performance quite well, and do so regardless of race, SES and gender. The sample size was 1.2 million college students. [/quote] This has been refuted. High SAT scores are correlated to high SES. When I get a moment, I will post. Especially, when it comes to LSAT and bar passage rates.[/quote] No, this hasn't been refuted. It's a brand new study with 1.2 million participants (college board data). Most of other studies were very small sample size or were manipulated to get the results the author wanted. Watch the presentation, it's very illuminating.[/quote] What will it prove? That only kids with high SAT scores should go to college? [b]That only a subset of our population deserve to be there[/b]? That colleges should only use test scores for admission? That our society is better if we only employ people who scored well? Please - illuminate me.[/quote] Yes? Do you think everybody is college material?[/quote] Depends on the race. [/quote] [b]Non-black applicant with 2370 SAT, 4.0 and 4.6 gpa, 12+ APs all 5s, 800 on all subject tests, sport, orchestra, 2 major leadership positions, extensive volunteering, original research at University, internships at research labs, writing award and writing tutor, 3 foreign languages, excellent clubs and ECs, excellent LORs etc. denied to all colleges except one. Low SES with no advantages. [/b] A black applicant with the above qualifications would have been admitted to all of the colleges. Depends on the race.[/quote] Reading this I wonder a) if the kid applied to the right schools for him/her and 2) if who the kid is and what he wants out of life came across. I see an excellent student, then a long list of leadership positions, writing awards and research experiences before we even get to the excellent clubs and ECs. If he's sort of a jack of all trades with no clear passion, there are too many kids like this applying to all schools. [/quote] You conveniently dismissed the part where where the black student would have been admitted -- even as a jack-of-all trades and no clear passion.[/quote] Can someone tell me where all of these black students are going? Imaginary US Ivy? The actual numbers are incredibly low. Is this just a good tag line for you to hold on to like guns? I'm sure it's easier for kid from Alaska or Idaho to get into an ivy then anyone. When kids from Fairfax Cty don't get into UVA (which they don't), they don't blame the black kids. It's those damn Roanoke kids.[/quote]
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