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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous]I find it very odd how we're totally elided the categories of what should be legal versus what we think is moral.  I don't see the Pope saying that blasphemous speech should be illegal.  But that he thinks it's immoral.  Fine.  I don't care.  And I don't care if Muslims say that blasphemous speech is immoral.  Fine.  But [b]NO ONE IS ENTITLED TO KILL OTHER PEOPLE FOR IT. [/b] That's all.  
The rest of this discussion is nothing but apologist, liberal-guilt-ridden, hand wringing.   And I am a liberal!  But come on.  
I say "Je suis Charlie" not because I like their cartoons.  Not because I ever have had a desire or impulse to mock another person's religion.  I'm a person who doesn't even make fun of other people much at all, much less about something they really care about.  But because once they are targeted for execution based on their words and ideas, I will align with them.   Because the extremists have been very clear: they want an Islamic State.  They want me, you, and everyone else, to have to bow to THEIR version of THEIR religion.   And the penalty for not doing so will be death. 
So, my answer (and a lot of people's answer) is: No.  No.  We are all apostates from that point of view.  I am definitely an affront to their view of Islam.  Because I believe in free speech.  Because I believe in equal rights for men and women.  Because I believe in equal rights for homosexuals.  And because I would rather die than live in a society where we have state-mandated religion.  Like many before me, I would fight for that.   
We have a lot of problems.  But lack of empathy for those who would kill cartoonists is not one of them.[/quote]

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you on that one.....[/quote]
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Maybe, but what I hear from you, and others, is mostly about how awful the cartoons are, and how it's so very wrong to blaspheme[/b].   It's analogous to a situation where a man kills his wife, and all you did is talk about how she shouldn't be surprised that this would happen since she cheated on him or some such nonsense.  It's simply irrelevant.  IT should just be blatant, unequivocal condemnation.  THat's it.  Because make no mistake, they aren't stopping with killing blasphemous cartoonists.  They're killing girls for going to school.  These people aren't people I need to understand.  These are just people I need to stop.  And part of stopping them is showing them that there will be a strong, fearless, united opposition to their goals.[/quote]

Then you haven't been reading all of my posts. I have already condemned them, i am discussing beyond that point. There won't be any discussions or conversations if the only thing that people say is "we condemn x, or y", we need to go further than that and understand why things are the way they are .[/quote]

I have read your posts.  Out of one side of your mouth, you condemn the killings.  Out of the other side you say things like "But they shouldn't be surprised they get a violent reaction for blaspheming the prophet."  I reject that.   The onus should not be on the victim to prevent the crime.  The onus is on the criminal.  It is not the victim's fault.  You very much like to blame the victim here.[/quote]

I am have criticized them because i believe that what they are doing is wrong,  but i am not going to ignore the social and pollitical context from which they are coming from.[/quote]

You make excuses for them.  Which you wouldn't do for other violent criminals.   Hypocrite.  When the man kills his wife, do you make sure to raise the "social and political context" from which he is coming?  Of course not.  Because it's not relevant.  He's a violent criminal.
You haven't once offered any suggestion for reducing the extremist Islamic violence except for people to stop offending extremists.   So your bias is clear.[/quote]

Education is an important part of human development, without it,  critical thinking is absent and one can not have intelligent conversations. Going to your example of a man killing his wife,  in any trial court,  the defense will present mitigating circumstances that are considered by the court in sentencing. The fact that you are unable to understand this doesn't mean the outside world operates under the rules of your parallel universe. [/quote]

Hah!  Honey, I'm a Harvard-educated lawyer.  I understand how courts work far better than you, clearly.  Try selling "she asked for it" to a judge as a defense to murder.  Go for it.  And if a judge DID buy that argument, he is a terrible judge.  The parallel universe is yours.[/quote]

Muslima is obviously referring to the heat of passion defense, which allows cuckolded boyfriends to kill without repercussion, and also should apply to those who rightfully kill those who insult Mohammad. [/quote]

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