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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Given that the burka ban was debated, not on the grounds of security (which would have been silly), but on the grounds that wearing it "is against the values of the republic".
Given that, while a number of woman wearing it are forced by others to do so (and a ban will just result in them forced to stay trapped at home), a number of women have freely chosen to want to wear one.
Given that most women who want to wear one are not immigrants  (since the countries of emigration don't have that awful tradition) but French born citizen (so the argument "if don't love it, leave it" doesn't apply.

I think we can paraphrase  Voltaire and say, "I profoundly disagree and are deeply  offended by your wearing the burka, but will fight for your right to wear it."

Meanwhile,  France remains the only country in the West that has legislation telling people how they must or must not dress.[/quote]

Do you think people should be allowed to wear crosses or yarmulkes in public places, including government, public hospitals and public schools?[/quote]

YES, they don't hide your freaking face, do they?[/quote]

Well, in France,  they are not allowed...

A woman who wore a headscarf (not a burka) in a day care was asked to remove it. She refused, and got fired. She appealed, and lost her appeal.  Most of the French public applauded the fact that she lost her appeal.  Google baby loup for more information. [/quote]

In Britain and France and Italy, people get fired for wearing yarmulkes, crosses, and posting crosses in the classroom all the time. Google it. It would be nice to hear your outrage about that.[/quote]

PP. I should clarify my point, which was that France applies this law equally to all religions, as it should. To the extent that France has a law banning displays of religion in public places, it should apply these laws equally to all religions and it does, and I support that.

I'm not sure whether the French daycare in question was public or private, and what french law is in regards to private employment. It would help to have clarification on this.

FWIW, in the US we bar public school teachers from promoting their religion, or their atheism, in the classroom. That's our law, and I fully support it, and I also fully support it being applied equally to all religions and to atheists (before anybody goes nuts, I wholeheartedly support teaching evolution in the schools).

France's economy probably contributes to terrorism. The unemployment rate among teens and 20-somethings is huge, resulting in a lot of bored young men, and that's never a good thing. There's an ongoing debate about whether France's employment laws do more to protect workers or hinder hiring. I'm happy to have that debate.

So, as you can see, I'm resisting the argument that a sense of victimhood -- due to racist cartoons or the headscarf laws -- justifies terrorism. Victimhood, no matter how large or small, never justifies terrorism.  There is free speech to oppose these laws, and there is democracy to vote them out. [/quote]

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