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[quote=Anonymous][quote]Finally! An atheist who owns the obvious big picture of his ideology! Individual humans are not more important than  bugs , cows , weeds , rocks and a pile of poop.  All the feelings... The opinions ... The pollution and the disruption just waste time and make waste.  In the universe, the individual human is of zero to negative value and a reasoning human should feel no guilt for killing a human any more than a cow or bug. Guilt is an illusion created by centuries of religious doctrine.[/quote]

[quote][b]Another pp atheist, who agrees that all creatures should be treated with respect: I disagree that guilt is an illusion. Guilt is a useful emotion - it alerts a person that they are thinking or doing something that conflicts with other beliefs or values they hold. It provides the impetus to reflect on beliefs, values, and actions. Since we - atheists - don't have one higher being or priest telling us what we should believe or feel, we have to decide for ourselves what we think is right and what matters, and feelings of guilt - like all feelings - can help us figure that out.[/b][/quote]

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The beauty of being an atheist is that we aren't limited to the ethics of one religious tradition.  We can learn from thousands of years of human history and pick the best ideas that have been discovered/created? so far.  For most of us humans we long to find happiness and a sense of purpose.  From the Mennonites/Amish, I've learned the joy of a less materialistic lifestyle and from Eastern thought the contentment found in solidarity.  From my Evangelical Christian parents, I learned to have fun getting caught up in the emotion of music, and from my Hindu friends, I've learned to respect and appreciate nature.  I could go on.

To the hurting person on here who thinks that a human is of negative value, I can see their point.  Overpopulation is a growing issue, and there are way too many people now who think indiscriminate consumption is the path to happiness.  Our world and grandchildren desperately need more conscientious people who work to improve the health and fertility of soil, instead of covering the land with more asphalt, pollution, and big-box stores.  Good humans give back to nature more than they take.  This is how I seek to derive my value and self-worth; permaculture.[/quote]

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