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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]He had no intent so what is he apologizing for - the inconvenience of his disability?

If a blind man bumps into someone who loses their balance, is it physical assault? Should he be hit in turn and arrested for his physical violence?

There are quitea  few conditions, including severe ASD where people have vocalizations that are uncontolled and involutary. That is the nature of the condition. Can it be bothersome - yes but that is what diversity is - accepting inclusion of people who are diverse and different from you.

You can't be against John Davidson but for Diversity, Equity, or Inclusion. You are either for both or against both. [/quote]
Impact matters over intent. It’s amazing that you can’t understand if you do something without intending to, you still apologize for causing harm. [/quote]

Some people would be on a 24/7 apology tour - especially parents of kids with significant autism whose behaviours can impact continuously. Basically you feel they need to apologize for existing and for having a disability. I had a client with a muscle disorder whose spasms meant I got hit / kicked often. I definitely didn't need an apology letter every time that demonstrated she truly understands the impact of her actions on me. This outburst isn't about intent even as it is uncontrolled and involuntary. Intent is usually related to someone not having the knowledge or understanding. People don't choose to have a disability. You have no idea likely how he modifies his day and his life continously - and the humiliation and pain he deals with daily with this disorder so your view that he should be hung in the town square because the disability / intent / controllability aren't relevant -  shows you need to watch his movie more than anyone.[/quote]
You missed the point. It’s not about his intent but the IMPACT of what he said. His disability isn’t an excuse to not apologizing for the harm he caused. [/quote]

He didn't cause harm. [/quote]
Are you just trolling or do you really believe that?[/quote]

I believe that. If my infant throws up on my nice sweater just as I am about to leave for work - I do not feel the infant caused me harm and that they need to take responsibility or the impact of their actions. I do in fact consider that it was involuntary, uncontrolled and there was zero intent to soil my clothes as it is simply part of being an infant. How would you want me to hold my infant accountable and responsible for the harm they caused and the impact on me and my day?

I don't see my infant as harming me nor do I see copralalia as harming me. When things are involuntary and uncontrollable and due to factors outside the control of the person  - I see them as such. [/quote]

If you have to compare a disabled adult to an infant to defend their decision to remain in a public place when they want to scream the n-word, you are ableist yourself.

He felt he had the right to stay no matter what came out of his mouth. Make of that what you will. But don’t compare it to an infant with indigestion.

Both might intend no harm, but one is fully aware he might cause it and decides it’s worth the risk.

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Psychiatrist here-you are completely wrong.[/quote]

I am an adult who became disabled at middle age. I would not want a psychiatrist who infantilized adults with disabilities.[/quote]

Does this guy have a disability or not? If people think he can and should control and make apologies for it, it then it sounds like they don't believe his disability is real. [/quote]

That is the clear divide, in this thread and online. Some see TS and Copralalia as a disability and the outbursts as involuntary and some just see the man as a vile racist human who chose to say what he said when he said it. People who don't think it came from a disability want him to control himself and apologize and remove himself going forward from public places since he won't commit to never having an outburst again.[/quote]

No, you are missing what most posters are saying. Just because you have a disability you don't have the right to spoil an awards ceremony by shouting vile things repeatedly. In that situation if you can't control yourself you don't attend. And you should apologize if you cause a scene. It is just basic decency.

He is actually making it harder for the vast majority of people with Tourettes who don't engage in this offensive behavior because now people are thinking everyone with Tourette's has the possibility to yell out offensive things.

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