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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Beinart is also the editor of Jewish Currents magazine, which is a super-lefty socialist publication. Still an interesting conversation, but I wouldn't say that either of them are representative of mainstream American Jews.[/quote]
A lot of American Jews are lefties. Not sure why you don’t think these views are representative of a LOT of people. [/quote]
American Jews have been trending to the political right since October 7, largely over the far-left's anti-Israel stance. There is, of course, room to be horrified by the starvation in Gaza and oppose Netanyahu's government. I just don't think that Beinart and Stewart are good spokespeople to do that, because they aren't representative of mainstream American Jewish views (largely), so it's hard to take them seriously on this serious issue. I will listen to Jon Stewart all day long when he's talking about support for 9/11 first responders, or another subject that he is clearly passionate about and can speak with authority. But he's used his Judaism as the butt of a joke so often that when he invokes his Judaism for something serious, like Israel-Gaza, it just doesn't feel sincere.[/quote]
No, the American Jews that YOU associate with have become more right wing. Most of my Jewish friends are anti bibi and able to recognize that Israel is committing genocide.

These are not niche views. Maybe you need to chat with more Jews.[/quote]

He doesn't want to. He wants to stick his head in the sand and "just be Jewish" because he secretly likes what Bibi is doing. That's why he is on this thread protesting when sane people (Jewish or not) are condemning what is happening in Gaza right now. [/quote]

Ok...anyone can say they know what is going on in someone's head. I'll play--you like horses, but are too afraid to ride them! I know what you are thinking!

But regardless, people don't HAVE to agree with you that Israel needs to be destroyed. Their not agree with you is not a gotcha we have to be concerned about.[/quote]

I LOVE how you're showing your true colors the more you post. Nowhere did anyone say in this entire thread that Israel needs to be destroyed. No one!!! [b]You took the criticism of what Bibi is doing as "Israel needs to be destroyed."[/b] Nowhere did Beinart or Stewart call for that either. I am (as are many others) saying Isral needs to stop killing and starving innocent children and people in Gaza. To you, those things are the same. The only way for Israel to exist is to destroy Gaza and all of the people living there. You are a terrible human. [/quote]
Yup, this. They can't separate the man from his actions. [/quote]

OK, Netanyahu will not be around forever, so he will be gone, and Israel will continue in the form it is. Same borders, same type of govt. But that is not what you want. So you are discussing the "man", but he is not your issue[/quote]

well- it is a religious ethnostate- most Americans believe in a separation of Church and State. None of our other allies are  religious ethnostates and there are certainly not weird laws about how some citizens (secular jews) have to be prepared to lay down their lives and serve in the armed forces while other groups need to be paid tax moneys to rock back and forth and read books.  the whole structure looks ----weird and not a natural fit for what most Americans consider normal behavior.

also our country has a huge debt problem so a country where there is enough money to pay for huge families to sit around doing nothing but read religious books and pray doesn't need my hard earned cash to support it. this is a democracy and I can use my voice to persuade more and more of my fellow american citizens to agree with me and vote for politicians who spend out tax mosey right here in the USA. Right  now this is not US policy but in the 1950s it was US policy that Taiwan was China and the PRC was an illegitimate nation, Americans are within our rights to change minds and you are within your rights to argue back. but you can't tell someone that they don't have the right to say that your religious ethnostate is weird like Iran and Saudi Arabia and all the other weird a$$ religious republics out there and we shouldn't have to pay you any money to exist.   lots of cultures disappear-  why should I care if there are no more hottentots or Israelis  or liberians, this isn't my problem.  I'm not white, my ancestors don't owe you anything. [/quote]

A lot of Americans are not too focused on the details of other countries. We're told X is our ally, it's a democracy, we nod our heads and move on. Now there is a lot of focus on this country and people are learning the details about "religious ethnostate" as PP says, how they don't perform interreligious marriages, the treatment of Gaza even before this, settlers in the West Bank and a lot of other stuff that is disturbing.

And all of that is apart from the devastation and full occupation happening now.

So yes opinions are changing for many Americans. It's not surprising.[/quote]

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