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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Wanting narcotics before the surgery even happens and there is pain, and shopping around to find someone who freely gives them out is a pretty big red flag. A lot of docs now only use them in a very controlled way for people whose pain isn’t managed in other ways. They don’t just send people home with bottles of narcotics anymore for just in case reasons. [/quote]

No this is not a red flag at all. Not wanting to endure pain because one doctor thinks it’s fine for you to suffer when there is a different doctor that will make recovery bearable is not drug shopping.[/quote]

History has taught us it is crueler and does more harm to patients to give narcotics out without an individualized need than it is to ask patient to try and manage their pain initially with OTC and request stronger meds if needed.[/quote]

+1 Some of the people on this thread don't have the ability to handle a hangnail without meds that were designed for end-of-life cancer patients.

What if you were okay? What if everything was fine? What if you barely needed the tylenol, healed beautifully, and it wasn't even an issue?[/quote]

If you’re ok, then you don’t take the pain meds, obviously. I’m single. If I don’t have things at home after a surgery, I wont be able to get them until at least the next day, if I can get a friend to run an errand for me. (Would they even be able to pick up a narcotic for me? I don’t know.) But it drives me crazy how doctors hand you a paper prescription as you’re leaving surgery rather than letting you get everything that’s anticipate-able squared away beforehand.[/quote]

Narcotic prescriptions often need to have actual signatures, be presented in person, be picked up by a party 18 and older... That's still not a good reason to hand them out in advance of actual need "just in case". They're not "have on hand in case you need it" meds. That's tylenol. They're "special circumstance that justifies jumping through additional hoops" meds, and responsible people should expect that if they want access.[/quote]

No, no, no, no, no.  If the block I was given has worn off by 1am and I am alone with my 6-year-old son, I have no way of getting an RX IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT to alleviate horrendous pain.  Why would you expect me, who knows my body, to suffer because of your addiction issues?  2-3 pills as part of the prep is not feeding addiction, FFS.      [/quote]

Horrendous pain and suffering? You can take tylenol and ibuprofen simultaneously to cut that to a manageable level, and then staggered to maintain pain coverage and avoid breakthrough pain. Be honest: 2-3 pills is a recreational dose.

If you're having the kind of pain that would truly necessitate opioid use, you need to talk to your doctor about why. [/quote]

Oh you mean telling the doctor that I know my body better than they do and will need pain medication, like OP said she would like to have the option for?  But you seem hellbent on just “toughing it out” like a cowboy because, why?

And 2-3 pills will get you through the night until you can speak to your surgeon versus the on-call physician. Or maybe all that is needed to get over the hump where only ibuprofen is needed.

Responsible people know how to prepare for surgery and have the a good understanding how they would like to have their pain managed. We all aren’t recovering addicts or freaking sheep. [/quote]

Why would people in the US undergoing surgery be so very different from those undergoing surgery in Sweden, Germany, France, and the UK? What about Americans makes them need opioids when those in other countries do not, even after the same surgeries?[/quote]

Americans expect service, comfort, and ease. It's a cultural thing. Where people in other places might reasonably expect post-surgical discomfort and modify their schedules and expectations accordingly, americans can't deal with pain or inconvenience, and need to micromanage professionals to get what they think they need upfront, just in case.

Overall health outcomes here suck proportionally, yet cost more because of insurance regulations, jumpy docs who are reluctant to prescribe, malpractice suits, etc. [/quote]

I have chronic pain that is horrific.  Do you have any concept of serious pain that will not go away.  Its soul sucking and very hard to live with.  I don't do pain meds as doctors will not treat you if you don't but I'm basically confined to my house at this point.  You don't really understand that kind of pain if you minimize it.  I cannot take ibprohen anymore regularly as it did a lot of damage to my kidney's doing it daily.  Tylenol does nothing.[/quote]

Nah, I'm the sober chronic pain person who got flamed upthread. I get it, and I disagree. Mentality is a huge part of pain perception. I've been confined to my home at times too, and I get the psychological complications of isolation and being left out and being misunderstood, etc.

Opiates don't fix any part of that. [/quote]

You’re a fd up addict. This poster isn’t 🤷 [/quote]

You're a horrible person, addicted to cruelty. Enjoy your L.[/quote]

They have addiction issues so they think everyone should suffer.  [/quote]

It’s this and always was. The cruel people here are dropping teeth and shat-in drawers and destroyed their own  relationships, and now think they can be pious about what other people, women in particular, should endure. No one here is Nora Volkow.  They are not entitled to know more of whatever Op is dealing with.[/quote]

The cruel people here are lashing out and calling names instead of listening to the wisdom being offered by those who've been there, done that, and brought back valuable information, and then DARVOing, hard, to play like they're the victims and innocent of any wrongdoing. [/quote]

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