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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think you're propagandizing yourself by focusing only on right wing violence. Try to focus on facts.

Both right wing and left wing criminals have committed acts of violence in recent times and throughout American history. Both left wing and right wing politicians and pundits have advocated violence openly and with dog whistles.

The current LA riots are a good example. Despite the "peaceful protest" narrative, we can see our own eyes people being extremely violent and committing arson. Before you waste time defending left wing violence as moral or somehow less violent because you agree with the actors' politics, understand what you are tacitly supporting. People whose position on violence is highly flexible due to partisanship stand for the idea that people get to be violent if they believe strongly in their cause or believe the other side deserves it. The problem is that EVERY violent movement in history and every side in a war, civil or otherwise, has believed the other side deserving and their cause just.

If you want to minimize the likelihood of running terrified while your former neighbors and countrymen hunt you down, stand vocally and unequivocally with zero exceptions for the conviction that violence is a completely unacceptable way to handle disagreements of any sort. Every time people pretend not to see violence when their chosen side is perpetrating it, they legitimize it as a fair response to themselves.
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Equating people fighting for civil rights with a coup is really weak. They are not the same.[/quote]
PP here. Has it not occurred to you that the people burning cars and buildings, throwing bricks and concrete chunks at police, and passing out improvised weapons might actually not give a single damn about civil rights? Do you really not realize that there are people who will take advantage of chaos to cause mayhem for the fun of it?

If you're on this board, odds are you're smart enough to have considered that bad actors are using the protests to cause mayhem. You just don't care because you're enjoying their violence towards ICE, police, and right wing people by proxy. That makes you a dangerous ideologue and you don't get to hide behind "fighting for civil rights" -- especially not when the nutjobs you're giving cover to are turning people against the civil rights causes that sincere protesters care about. People like you teem like roaches among Democrats. The leftwing equivalent of right wing nutjobs, except even more sanctimonious. It's a big problem. [/quote]

[b]anarchists are not democrats...they are anarchists, if that is what you are aiming for.[/b]

Either way, no one supports the violence, but be honest, it started with this version of ICE. These things didn't happen under Obama or Biden. Just Trump.[/quote]
Then Democrats need to ditch the gaslighting "peaceful protest" BS and say, hey, these crazies aren't part of us and we denounce them. That's not what Democrats are doing though. When bad people use you for cover and you let them, you go down with them. [/quote]

Why do we need to disassociate from people who never had anything to do with us in the first place?  Wouldn't we have to first accept them before rejecting them?  We never accepted them to begin with.  It's just the crazy/dishonest right wing that's making that false association, not us.[/quote]

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