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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's a problem because inevitably non obese shell out billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain obese people are on our society.[/quote]

And obese people fund on a daily basis, billions of dollars to compensate for the incredible drain that old people, smokers, children and adults with various disabilities, premies etc. are on the system. Especially so as they are less likely to live long enough to actually get to enjoy the benefits of their hard works.

But who am I to quibble it's easier to openly discriminate against old people than it is children and premies with lifelong disabilities. [/quote]

The difference is "obese people" most likely can make a choice to not be obese.  Just like a smoker can make the choice to not smoke.  But old people and kids/people with many disabilities cannot do anything to change that.  See the difference?

Go purchase life insurance---if you are older, have an illness, are overweight, etc, they charge you more or simply won't insure you.  It's not discrimination, it's just how it works.  
So while everyone should have access to healthcare, it's not unfair to expect some to pay more.  I mean, if I purchase ACA plan now, at 50 I pay more than at 40, and it exponentially goes up until I turn 65 and can switch to medicare.  They do charge me more because of my aging.

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At the end of the day you might not like obese people, you may feel yourself morally superior to obese people, but the argument that they cost more to society than a premie, even if they manage to live independently, or an an old person who racks up millions of dollars (directly tax payer funded healthcare bills) in the last months of life.

Or the millions of people who make bad decisions every single day, and end up costing the system lots of and lots of money when a lifetime of bad decisions catches up with them.

That's life and the thing is maybe you get cancer and cost the system a lot of money and maybe it's because you chose to use pesticides on your lawn, combined with a bunch of other bad decisions you made over your life, like being a recreational drinker and being a woman, a few drinks a week, every week and in your youth you drank more than that, but you thought it was okay, because you maintained your weight and you worked out... but ooops now you have terminal breast cancer and... you want a few more months with the dogs and grands so you receive costly healthcare. Again argue you didn't cause your cancer all you want but if I follow your logic you did.

Do you judge cancer patients, the people who had herpes and it made them susceptible to lymphoma or HPV and now they have head and neck cancers? Do you judge the sober for 20 years mom who gets cirrhosis, you don't know she partied a little too hard in her youth, contracted Hep. They did something to cause their illnesses... they were participants in their eventual costly illnesses. No it's not so easy to judge them right, because they made bad decisions that one could argue had an element of immorality attached to them.

Like I said get back to me when you hit 55-65, and have outlived your genetic usefulness, or you get head/neck/oral cancer, breast, or lymphoma or something else.  I'll send you some cyanide pills, if you care so much about tax dollars, and being a drain on society do us all a favor and off yourself.[/quote]
Equating obesity with cancer is sole next level mental gymnastics.[/quote]

+1000

You cannot prevent everything.  But there are several things in life we know are simply not good for you: being overweight/obese, eating crap/not healthy, drinking too much, smoking at all, doing drugs, etc.  All things you have control over.

[b]So there's a huge difference between having 4-7 drinks a week versus having 3 drinks nightly.  [/b]
Huge difference between eating dessert nightly at 400 calories and 100g of sugar versus having a dessert once a week and the rest of nights having fruit

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Where do you get your information from? If you ever actually done a deeper dive that Google's top AI summary, you'd get that especially if you are a woman this is absolutely not true. So much of the research is based on self reporting right, and you could easily pour 1/2 bottle into a large wine glass and call it one drink. Much like an obese person might eat 3 cookies but claim they only had one.

But that's the problem right. It's easy to point at an obese person, and say ugh, bad. Because they are physically obese. But a woman who drinks even a moderate amount puts herself at an increased risk. It's just like there is no safe amount to drink during pregnancy, all can cause lasting damage to the unborn, one drink can do the same damage at 10.

Well same thing for women and alcohol in general. Consume it if you will, but all the mental gymnastics in the world won't change the fact that women shouldn't drink alcohol period if they want to minimize their risks for any and all alcohol related disease. And unlike obesity, an obese person can lose weight especially with GLPs, and reduce their risk for many related illnesses, but you can't undo the damage done by alcohol period. [/quote]

For alcohol, you cannot compare pregnant women and drinking to a non-pregnant woman having a glass of wine with dinner.  And yeah most women can figure out that 5 oz is a "glass of wine" just like smart people can figure out that a 12" cookie is "not one cookie"

The damages from a glass of wine with dinner 3-4 nights per week is very different than being overweigh for 20+ years.

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Alcohol consumption, excess or moderate increases risk for breast cancer in women.

There is no safe amount.

You don’t need to drink alcohol. Where is your willpower? If you need to unwind at the end of the day go for a walk. Sounds like you are trying to justify an alcohol problem. Problem drinkers are a huge drain on the system. [/quote]
So true.[/quote]

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