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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Students from China are what make our universities great. Prior to their enrollment the US university system was substandard.[/quote]

Sure. Knowing how to cheat is what makes a university great. So many Chinese students cheat to get into US colleges and cheat when they arrive. Sure there are some really hard working and brilliant Chinese students but it is astounding how many are cheating in college.

From this article: https://lamag.com/featured/ucla-cheating

At the same time as the Varsity Blues scandal a Chinese cheating ring at UCLA was discovered. Liu Cai came from Bejing to attend UCLA. He hired ringers would show up to testing sites with fake Chinese passports bearing their own photos but with the names of the clients.  He helped at least 40 Chinese nationals obtain student visas by fraudulently taking the TOEFL, an English proficiency exam, on their behalf. Where Cai slipped—and where investigators caught up to him—was charging 39 test registration payments to his credit card.

A survey of 14 public universities by The Wall Street Journal found that in the 2014-15 school year, those universities reported cheating among international students at a rate five times higher than among domestic students. In 2018 a professor at UC Santa Barbara told the Los Angeles Times that Chinese students comprise 6 percent of the student body but account for a third of plagiarism cases. A 2016 study conducted by United Kingdom newspaper The Times says that students from outside the European Union were four times more likely to cheat than U.K. and European Union students.

In 2016 Reuters reported that the University of Iowa was investigating at least 30 students—most, if not all, believed to be Chinese—over allegations of cheating. In 2015 federal prosecutors in Pennsylvania indicted 15 Chinese nationals for a standardized test-taking scheme similar to the UCLA case.[/quote]

I went to a 7 Sisters with a girl who cheated thru all 4 years. As did another girl who bought her essays and papers. This was in the early 90s. They were white girls. The latter managed to get into an Ivy graduate program.
This and the recent story above about the Chinese students cheating have long made me dubious about the value of college degrees. As a friend who teaches business at a local college says, if someone wants to major in clown studies, there will be a school with that program. It's all about catering to the market. I know there are school administrations that are willing to look the other way. Maybe they just think, well, what can we do? The student is only hurting themselves in the end - which is true. Faking one's way thru life isn't a long term viable strategy.
The school gets their tuition dollars and the student gets a piece of paper but has missed out on 4 years of true scholarship. 
That piece of paper is no measure of character, grit and determination.

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