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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]A better question:  where are the liberals who have winsome arguments and know how to win elections? 
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Where are the liberals who know how to avoid hitching their party to things that the electorate abhors[/b]. Where did they go?

Not seeing them anywhere. [/quote]

So the problem is isn't "liberal policies or politics" but rather the center and left have allowed the right to frame EVERY issue in such a way that the right sounds reasonable when the reality is so different. [b]The majority of the country agrees:
-abortion should be legal and safe in the first trimester and then thereafter under conditions
-sensible gun laws to keep weapons out of the hands of felons and people with mental illness
-taxation is ok if the money is well managed and spent
-federal responsibility for clean air and water, safe food and drugs are a good thing
-NATO and our western alliances have made lives better for Americans since the end of WW2 and they should remain intact[/b]

The above issues used to be consensus between both parties and now it is only one party that shares those values eventhough over 65% and in some cases over 85% share the above positions. But when the right is able to hammer and weaponize: 'states rights" "second Amendment" CRT, DEI, Defund the Police, Pro-Life as slogans that are either for their position or against the other side, and the nuance to debate and policy is lost, we end up with the lowest common denominator.[/quote]

It isn’t framing. The problem with your bolded list is that:

1.  In Democrat controlled states unfettered abortion access is real.  Not the European-style consensus you describe. [b]false[/b]

2.  If they had the power Democrats absolutely would disarm the country. [b]false[/b]

3.  Federal responsibility for clean air and water is great until overreach happens like happened with the navigable waters case or when environmental policy is used as an economic hammer (the clean power plan). [b]false[/b]

4.  Our nato allies have absolutely been free riders (Obama was saying as much 12 years ago). And Ukraine is not a nato ally.  And it hasn’t been part of a western alliance, either. [b]We made a deal with Ukraine in 1994 that we should continue to honor[/b]

This is not about framing but about substance. Trump just usually picks the eaiswr to frame side. [/quote][/quote]

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