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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]About time we end this unconstitutional nonsense.

The Civil Rights Act was also super clear on nondiscrimination based on race.

A ever complicated multicultural society like ours must be race blind. [/quote]

Nice goal but we aren’t there. [/quote]

As evidenced by all of this backlash against 'DEI'. 
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DP.

Agree we aren't there and need to get there.

But I think DEI/AA are absolutely terrible ways to accomplish that goal. In fact, I think they contribute to preventing us from ever getting to an equal opportunity/race blind society.

So I 100% disagree with your conclusion about what the backlash against DEI "proves".[/quote]

Let's see what this backlash reveals about many Americans: 
1. People are assuming that DEI means "black". 
2. People are assuming that DEI means less qualified. 
3. People would prefer to tear down our country vs. keep DEI.

We are not there yet, as evidenced by the backlash to "DEI". 
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1. Sloppy argument. DEI programming grew exponentially (literally) in response to the murder of George Floyd. This is the reason that many associate DEI primarily with “Black”—because it was widely adopted in response to a Black man’s murder.

2. DEI *sometimes* has been used as a factor in hiring/promotion/admission decisions. Not surprising that this creates resentment. Americans generally hate any perception of unfairness (see the nepo baby backlash or the “dad donated a library to Harvard” or “boss’s nephew” jokes that have around since the beginning of time.

3. Hate Trump and agree that he’s tearing the country down, but disagree (a) that DEI was the primary reason he was elected, and (b) that his voters were consciously making any such tradeoff.

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DP.

1. It means any underrepresented minority. 
The goal is equality of outcome.

2. [b]DEI definitely means less qualified.[/b]  Perhaps not unqualified but definitely less qualified.  It's not the only group of less qualified people being selected but racial discrimination has the added characteristics of being unconstitutional.

3. I hate trump too but he is right about a few things.  But even the things he is right about, he is doing in the worst way I can think of.  A lot of it is illegal.  [/quote]

That's your take on it.

Too bad you thought this was such a big deal that you decided to give the crazy guy the keys to the car
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DP here. I worked in admissions in a T10 law school many years ago (2000’s) and I can say as a fact that had there not been affirmative action, our law school would have have few if any black or Hispanic students. For whatever reason, the applicants we saw had LSAT score far below what we would have otherwise accepted. Now maybe you don’t think the LSAT is a good judge, but that was the main metric being used at the time and as far as I know still is.[/quote]

It’s been proven that family income is the biggest factor in how a person performs on a “standardized” test. You either have $5k to spend on LSAT prep classes or you don’t. And guess who usually doesn’t. Moreover, just telling a person that “x does bad on tests” results in a statistically significant decline in scores.

The LSAT is pretty good at predicting who will pass other standardized tests, like the bar. But not so much success in the practice of law. I personally know two LMC-raised women who had terrible LSAT scores and are now partners at high powered firms doing complex work. More than a few of the top ranked incoming first years flamed out early.

Any law school would be foolish to discount those with the hustle, regardless of their class or race. People remember the schools that took a chance on them when they make it big. [/quote]

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