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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Any anyway, if killing a special needs child because the family can’t cope is not ok, is it ok to kill a baby? And if it’s not ok to kill a newborn baby, why is it ok to kill a fetus?

And if you are ok with killing a special needs fetus at 38 weeks, are you also ok with killing healthy fetuses at 38 weeks?

I am not ok with either.
I am also not ok that collectively speaking we do not give humanity to fetuses who are found to have defects or disabilities. I can certainly understand and have compassion for families that would choose to end such pregnancies, but that does not make it right. We need to do better to support those families raising special needs families. We might better do so if more of us could actually see them.

And if you tell me that I can’t possibly understand the plight of these families, I will tell you that I do, because I was in such a family. I saw my brother being born, and then I saw him diagnosed with a fatal heart defect days later. We were extremely poor, my parents couldn’t afford a hospital birth let alone the bills that came later after the diagnosis. We took my brother home to receive palliative care and he died a few days later. It was hard for all of us, and horrible for my mom. But not one of us can imagine that it would have been less horrible for her to abort. 
We treasured our few days with my brother.

I gave birth to healthy children but have families around us where this was not so. I cannot imagine those children not being here, or being less valuable. Remember that any person could become disabled at any time in their life. That does not diminish their humanity.[/quote]

You’re a real crap person. 38 weeks? That doesn’t happen. And also, forcing other humans to risk their life, health, and fertility to carry a baby full term just to watch it die is unfathomable. That’s not your choice to make, and your condescension that they don’t value those much loved and wanted children just because they cannot, for their own reasons whatever they are, carry a dying child to term, is just so cruel. Your scenario is not today’s reality, where a woman discovers a terrible diagnosis of incompatibility with life much earlier than 38 weeks and the untreatable conditions (heart problems are luckily much more treatable now, even in utero) are just that. Risking possible financial ruin, stress on a marriage, health and fertility being risked with each additional day of pregnancy, for a baby that will not live and might suffer for the brief time they do live. It shouldn’t be up to anyone else, not me, not you, not the state, when that’s the situation.

I’m glad your mother found comfort in your sibling’s brief life. But your story is just that, a story and not relevant to another woman’s life and choices. [/quote]

It’s euthanasia. 
I don’t support euthanasia.
I believe on a deep level that we should not take human lives, ever. We cannot always save them. Sometimes we can only provide pain relief and palliative care. We should also respect life by not prolonging it with invasive treatments. But we should not be actively taking lives.[/quote]

Are you a vegan? Do you support banning guns? Do you support getting rid of the military? [/quote]

No, because animals are not humans. 
Yes I support banning the types of guns that are used in mass shootings. Individual citizens should not own weapons of mass destruction.
I reluctantly concede that having military is necessary for our country to defend itself, and therefore saves lives (in theory) Whether it has been used that way or really in any good way for the past several decades is another question.

But most abortions aren’t performed in self defense. 
I’m not even totally against abortion. I’m for easy access to early abortions, regardless of the reason. If it’s truly a matter of saving a mother’s life over the fetus, then I choose the saving the mother. But I can’t get on board with the idea that a fetus is absolutely not human until it is born. [/quote]

So what if animals aren’t human — they are sentient beings and you are eating murder victims. You are fine with taking lives so long as they’re lives you deem less than. [/quote]

We all take “lives” to an extent, unless you are a Jain. 
I guess I don’t consider all lives to be the same, do any of us?  I eat chicken and squish mosquitos without guilt.  But a human fetus is not a chicken or a mosquito. 
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