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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Freshman got a 5 in AP Gov.  Great for her first AP exam!  [/quote]Our N.VA school district allows you to take AP GOV SENIOR year. Granted I know anyone can self study for an AP test, it is just a bit insane how different things are across the board for when certain classes are taught.[/quote]

My freshman also got a 5.  At their school, all 9th graders take AP Gov.  iIt is crazy how different schools do things.[/quote]

It just goes to show how APs are not truly college-level classes.[/quote]

Why does it show that? My 9th grader took it and got a 2. Huge history buff, but clearly not ready for that level. By junior year was getting 4s and 5s.[/quote]

I don't care who got what on the AP exams. I'd rather have the GPA number as I think that is more reflective of whether the material was understood. AP exams are a specific animal and the kids are taught how to take the tests, in addition to the material. So they are not as reflective of material, imo.

You don't have to agree. And that's fine. [/quote]
My ADHD kid got a B in AP class since has issues turning in homework.  I would venture to say his high AP score is more reflective of his understanding than his grade.   [/quote]

100% agree. Arguing that the grades we are all seeing in this ridiculous gradeinflationpalooza are more indicative of subject matter expertise than the AP tests of those classes is ridiculous, tbh.[/quote]

I agree . DS had a  97% and 98% in his  first and second semester APUSH class but got a 4. He is very disappointed because he is into history and the top student in the class. The teacher is a first year teacher and not very smart. I warned DS not to trust that she was covering the material at the depth he would need but he didn’t want to spend extra time self studying. His 4 s far more reflective of his actual ability than the 98% final grade in the class. [/quote]

I teach one of the AP History subjects. The difference between a 4 and a 5 is very small. It often depends on what the essays happened to be about that year. I tell kids never to count on a 5, but if they are scoring 4 on the practice exam, they have a great shot if it's a good day.

You can't really just study for a 5 in an AP History. You have to have some individual insight and that's not entirely based on studying.

Anyway, the chatter on the teacher FB groups for AP subjects is that College Board is recalibrating scoring to eliminate competition for community college dual enrollment programs. They want the passing percentage for an exam to match what the passing percentage would be in an introductory college course. That's why APUSH pass rates jumped up so much this year. [/quote]

USH was graded much more harshly this year compared to past year. Scores dropped across the board.

You don't need individual insight, though. You need to summarize and apply the course content in a straightforward way. It's not regurgitation, but it's not insight. 
https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/ap21-sg-us-history.pdf[/quote]

No. Scores didn't drop they went way way higher. The grading on the essays slightly changed. You get 7 documents presented on the DBQ. In years past to get the top score you had to use 6 documents to get two evidence points, this year you only needed to use 4. In the area of explaining and analyzing you had to use three documents in the past and this year only 2. And it is now slightly easier to get the complexity and sophistication point.

So last year (2023) only 48% of students got a 3 or higher - 11% got a five; 15% got a 4; 22% got a 3.

While this year (2024) 72% of students got a 3 or higher - 13% got a five; 33 % got a 4 and 26.0% got a 3. So huge difference!

My son is at a high school with NO grade inflation and it really is tough. It is a public school with primarily students who are college educated. His AP teacher says he grades similar to a college class at a top college. So in his mind if only around 11% of students get a 5 on AP History test, then in his class he only gives around 11% of students A's. My son had to work hard in that class and study for hours for the tests to get a B. They weren't based on the APUSH test because the teacher doesn't believe in teaching to the AP test. He wanted them to think and analyze as well as requiring students to memorize  so much information that used to be required on the AP test but no longer is. In around 2013 the APUSH changed so that students didn't have to memorize so many facts. My son's teacher didn't agree with that change. For the semester final it was four parts

1) a one hour essay on a topic they didn't know in advance, 
2) a one hour multiple choice test that had 50 or 60 questions
3) Memorize 108 historical figures and why they were important. The teacher said something the person had done and you had to write down their name. 
4) A one hour fact pattern test that involved 20 topics that involved things like: write down the first 20 presidents; 10 reasons for colonization; 7 major effects of the Great Awakening, 11 major themes of the Age of Jackson etc. . The answers were given to them to study but in one hour they had to quickly write down all 20 fact patterns so it was about 200 items.

He ended up with a 4 on the AP test, so that goes along with his grade.  His sibling took a community college US history class and it was 100 times easier perhaps even easier than that. So it's frustrating to hear of people getting 98% in a class an APUSH class when they ended up with a 4 as well. The highest grade in APUSH at his school was a 95% and that was by one student.  [/quote]

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