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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Reading this you might get depressed.  I think a lot of people here exaggerate both on how commonplace high scores are, but also on what any of that means.

For one, the tails of these exams are not predictive of anything. In other words, 97% is not that meaningfully different from 99% and definitely not 99.75%. Its also a terrible test altogether because it measures exposures to various materials, not innate logical or reasoning skills.

My kids were 98/99 percentile in math/reading depending on year  They got into CES, magnet middle and magnet high schools. We live in a low FARMs area *and* we are Asian (so should be a double whammy on acceptances but obviously not). We didn't enrich at all. It was all fine. Also, the kids with the highest MAP M scores in 8th grade were not necessarily the best Multivariate students so it's just one test folks with questionable utility. [/quote]

I am not Asian, but one of my children went through these programs. My younger one might. They're equally smart, but with the lotteries and all today, I'm not all that optimistic since it's more about DEI than test scores now.[/quote]

My DC didn’t qualify for the lottery with a MAP-R score in the 97th percentile because the 97th percentile nationwide wasn’t within the top 15% of MCPS test takers in our low FARMs cohort of schools. So the MCPS-wide mean might be only 2 points or whatever higher than the national norm but among the low FARMS schools, being in the 98/99th percentile is pretty commonplace. [/quote]

Except according to the data acquired by MCCPTA the lowest FARMS school the top 15% was at the 95%.[/quote]

Was the qualifying score for high FARMS schools equally impacted? If it took being in the 95th+ percentile in the low FARMS school to be among the top 15% of the cohort, does a kid need something like a 70-75th percentile score in order to be in the top 15% of the highest FARMS cohort? [/quote]

The MCCPTA data that they released to the FB group showed 95%+ in the top 15% at low FARMS, 92% in top 15% at moderately low FARMS, and 60% was in top 15% for high FARMS.[/quote]

And for which year and for which magnet program (CES, MS Math/Science/CS or MS Humamities) were those data released to MCCPTA GEC and then posted on the FB group?[/quote]

The most recent data was for CES and MS. Magnets.  By all means, join the group and read it yourself [/quote]

Already there, and the "most recent data" you cite isn't for this year or last.

The MPIA response is titled "FY22-435 Responsive Document.pdf" -- the 21-22 school year, during which the selections for the entering 22-23 CES and criteria-based MS magnet classes were drawn.  That's from MAPs taken 2 academic years back, and it shows only the MS criteria, which, for low-FARMS schools, were 93rd %ile and 92nd %ile for MAP-M and MAP-R, respectively (again, from 2 years ago).  The only mention of 95th %ile was anecdotal, in that the GEC lead knew of those this past year who were in the 95th %ile but excluded, which points to the fact that the locally normed 85th %ile used for cutoff changes from year to year and was higher last year (at least at low-FARMS schools) than in the year prior.

There is another document posted, an info report to the BOE from January of this year (addressing, but not in great detail, some BOE questions from the 12/6/22 meeting), which summarizes the regional and countywide program admissions process.  The only new information, there, was that the adjustment for students receiving services (individual with an EML or FARMS designation, a 504 or an IEP) for the CES was a locally normed 70th %ile MAP-R (instead of a locally normed 85th %ile); the fact that there was an adjustment for students receiving services for the criteria-based MS programs also was noted, but without a hard # (it seems like 70th %ile might be a good guess though).  No actual cutoffs (RIT or %ile) for the various FARMS-rate tranches were given.

There is no detailed info on what those by-FARMS-rate-tranche percentile cutoffs used during last year's magnet selection process for this year's entering classes ended up being (aside from the "locally normed 85th %ile").  Certainly none for this year -- MCPS may have the data, but won't be sending notices for a couple of weeks, yet, for criteria-based MS programs and a couple of months for CES.

If you have a specific link to cite, have at it.  I'd be happy to know updated info if it were available.  If it's something in the FB group, you could cite the particular conversation so that folks who join could find it.  Anything not marked internal (and I don't think there's anything on the FB group that would have that restriction) could be copied/shared.[/quote]

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