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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]With VT now being in the top 50 in the US news, expect it will get only worse.

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This year’s USNWR rankings are not based on academics and are irrelevant to many posters on DCUM.[/quote]

[b]Oh, please.  They might have changed the formula somewhat to account for first-gen and Pell grants, but the rankings are absolutely based mostly on academics - and even more important, outcome after graduation.  
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Well, it's a mix.  USNWR definitely went woke and is playing up the social mobility, Pell grant, low-income angle (which hurt some universities like UVA - because - if you understand how Pell grants work - they are decided AFTER admission, so the chances of picking up a Pell Grant applicant is determined by the economic status of ALL of the applicants and percentage of chance.  Californians in the college applicant cohort have more low-income students than VA does, so naturally (and demographically) the California schools score higher in Pell Grant admissions.  But anyone who understands college admissions knows that's really a false determinative. But USNWR likes it so here we are). But, yes, it is true because of the increased importance that USNWR is putting on these categories some universities will go up and some will go down.  You need to study what is really going on to figure out just what these rankings mean.  Nevertheless, you cannot say, as you did, "but the rankings are absolutely based mostly on academics " because they aren't anymore and really haven't been for a long time. It's much more about social and dei issues and alumni giving and size of the library and percentage of alumni giving and so on, as you know.  Also, ROI - which USNWR has pushed up on - naturally favors universities like MIT with huge tech schools.  It does not favor the liberal arts or broad-minded universities like UVA.

It is what it is. But the more you read about the rankings the more you understand and can appreciate what they are trying to say.  But you cannot take them as the first or last word.[/quote]

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