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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]“So what exactly are they missing that makes them "an atmosphere more similar to Williams"? “

I know you are trying it make it look like Dartmouth has a full range of “graduate” programs, but once you filter out the ones belonging to the medical & business schools, most of what is left are taught by a few STEM departments. From what I can tell that means almost all the professors in the humanities and social sciences have few if any grad students to monitor. That’s a big difference from research powerhouses like Harvard or Michigan or even Pittsburgh.

Is it possible your concern is out of proportion due to Dartmouth being a “college”? Do you think it is a large impersonal research university masquerading as a liberal arts college? If so, you might want to read up on the interesting history behind it keeping the word “college” in its identity. [/quote]

All I care about are facts, and that information shared here is accurate so parents and students can make the right decisions for themselves and not be influenced by cocktail-party level college selection logic.  Lets talk about facts.

The reason it looks like Dartmouth has a "full range of “graduate” programs" is because it has "a "full range of “graduate” programs".  Do I have to paste them in again?  None of these are from the medical and business' schools:

Guarini School of Graduate and Advanced Studies
MASTER'S PROGRAMS
Chemistry a 4+1 program
Comparative Literature
Computer Science
Digital Musics
Engineering
Earth Sciences
Master of Arts in Liberal Studies
Master of Health Care Delivery Science
Master of Science in Health Policy and Clinical Practice
Physics and Astronomy
Quantitative Biomedical Sciences

DOCTORAL PROGRAMS
Biochemistry and Cell Biology: Molecular and Cellular Biology Program
Biological Sciences: Molecular and Cellular Biology Program
Cancer Biology: Molecular and Cellular Biology Program
Chemistry
Cognitive Neuroscience: Psychological and Brain Sciences
Computer Science
Earth Sciences
Ecology, Evolution, Environment and Society (EEES)
Engineering
Health Policy and Clinical Practice
Integrative Neuroscience
Mathematics
Microbiology and Immunology: Molecular and Cellular Biology Program
Molecular and Cellular Biology (MCB): Program includes Biochemistry and Cell Biology, Biological Sciences, Cancer Biology, Molecular and Systems Biology, and Microbiology and Immunology.
Molecular and Systems Biology: Molecular and Cellular Biology Program
Physics and Astronomy
Psychological and Brain Sciences
Quantitative Biomedical Sciences

[b]Dartmouth is an R1 research university[/b]. There are only 146 in the US, and Dartmouth is one. When you say "That’s a big difference from research powerhouses like Harvard or Michigan or even Pittsburgh", you are incorrect, because while Dartmouth has fewer students, all 4 are R1 graded.  [i]You might want to read up[/i] on what an R1 research university is.

[i]The 1994 edition of the Carnegie Classification defined Research I universities as those that:

Offer a full range of baccalaureate programs
Are committed to graduate education through the doctorate
Give high priority to research
Award 50 or more doctoral degrees each year
Receive annually $40 million or more in federal support

In 2015, the Carnegie Classification System reinstated the "Research I university" designations along with "Research II" and "Research III." The current system, introduced in 2018, includes the following three categories for doctoral universities:[6]

R1: Doctoral Universities – Very high research activity
R2: Doctoral Universities – High research activity
D/PU: Doctoral/Professional Universities

In the 2018 classification, institutions were classified as either R1 or R2 if they "conferred at least 20 research/scholarship doctorates in 2016-17 and reported at least $5 million in total research expenditures."[6] A "research activity index" was then calculated that included the following measures:

Research & development (R&D) expenditures in science and engineering (S&E)
R&D expenditures in non-S&E fields
S&E research staff (postdoctoral appointees and other non-faculty research staff with doctorates)
Doctoral conferrals in humanities, social science, STEM (science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) fields, and in other fields (e.g., business, education, public policy, social work)[/i]

FYI it's bad form to condescend with things like "you might want to read up on the interesting history behind it keeping the word “college” in its identity".  I understand that completely, and I bet you knew I do when you posted that.

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NP. You are so in the weeds with Dartmouth,  dude. I don't understand why you are so bent on trying to disprove that some find Dartmouth comparable to a LAC in some senses. This is getting obsessive.[/quote]

You keep doubling down on the unsubstantiated claim that Dartmouth is like Williams despite being shown again and again and again with facts and data that it’s not even a little bit true and I’m the one getting obsessive? That is ironically funny to the point of belly laughs.[/quote]

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