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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I grew up in the Midwest in an area where going to college was the expectation, but very little prestige given to this school over that. People mostly went public.

But .. there was also an expectation that kids got cars over their own in their teen years (new, nice cars). People cared indeed about brand names. People got married pretty young, bought an home at 30,  and had their 3 or 4 kids by the time they were in their mid 30.

My parents were east coast transplants and we had to use the family car when it was free and applied to colleges further afield. We all went to Ivy League schools (in the day when it wasn’t that hard for full pay kids).

And now I live in Brooklyn and see this mania up close.

But as I watch my Midwest friends repeating this cycle I think, that’s a better way.  It’s weird how this college thing overtakes a childhood. My old friends had more kids, roomy houses, less financial stress, got a lake house in MI or WI, are on track for retirement, and their kids had carefree childhoods. They all have fulfilling jobs. Their kids will too.

Why do we do this?[/quote]
 
This is so interesting. What do you think is going on? [/quote]

Same. I actually think my senior DD would love the midwestern university in the town I grew up in. She has toured and does like it but is influenced by the culture here and thinks that because it has a high acceptance rate it isn’t as good as schools with a lower acceptance rate.  She could just pick this school and enjoy her senior year and also enjoy her college experience.  [/quote]

She is correct in that her academic cohort at a lower ranked / acceptance rate college is definitely for the most part, going to be inferior, regardless of the standard of teaching / research at the college. [/quote]

You are completely wrong about this. Most students attend the big school in their hometown or state no matter how smart they are. It is ridiculous to assume that the kids who chose their state college with a high acceptance rate are therefore all less intelligent than the handful of kids who got pulled from the lottery pool of applicants to a college with a tiny number of seats.[/quote]

Having hired a lot of kids straight out of college, I can attest that this is true. Many students accepted to the Ivy League are average smart kids who are grinders and have good organizational skills. There’s this myth that they’re all brilliant, and it’s just not true. In fact, I’d say the resume that gets you into an Ivy these days is likely to screen out the brilliant kid who has a burning intellectual interest in one area, but really doesn’t care about making a 100% in an area they aren’t interested in. Ivy’s say they want “pointy” kids, but they really don’t. The only group it seems true of is MIT PhDs. Other than that, I know more truly brilliant people who went to lower ranked schools. [/quote]

Pointy v. well rounded are not consistently defined - and also definitions of each vary per school, and different schools value different levels of each. To say one school prefers one or the other is to not know what really happens behind closed doors (admissions). [/quote]

The proof is in the pudding. [/quote]

Say wut?[/quote]

Don’t look at what they say, look at who they accept. [/quote]

That is exactly what I am saying - I know who is accepted. [/quote]

NP here. Do you really know STEM-oriented kids with Bs in high school English who’ve been accepted to Ivies? Because that’s what the PP is talking about. [/quote]

Not every kid is the same, surely OP must know that. There are so many contingencies about colleges admissions these days that no one person can possibly list all of them. I think so many posters are just looking for definitive information which does not exist.  The admission person would literally have to have that applicants file in front of them to answer any kinds of odds. [/quote]

If that’s true, surely it confirms the point that there are a lot of super smart kids who are not going to Ivies these days. [/quote]

Yep. The Ivies keep their numbers artificially low to preserve the mystique.

Harvard had a freshman class size of 1700 people in 2021 as per USNWR. You can find 1,000-1500 smart kids with high stats in most state university honors programs. But maybe the state university students didn’t have the $80,000, etc.

Full pay is a hook.

I knew people at my college who transferred to Ivies. There’s a thin line between a student here 
or a student there. Subjective…

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You don’t appear to know what you are talking about.

The ivies are all need blind for admissions.  Full pay is not only not a hook, it is not considered.

Ivy League transfer rates are lower than their RD rates.  Cornell takes a reasonable number of transfers.  The rest are nearly impossible and are usually special skill candidates.  Students are not transferrin in there and I doubt you know any let alone many.[/quote]

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