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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This Idaho Stop business is really pernicious. You can’t tell one group of people they don’t have to follow the rules without everyone else asking why they can’t do the same. It really teaches the public that traffic laws don’t matter.[/quote]

The thing is for cyclists, sitting idle in a street or sidewalk is much more dangerous. That's why states are following the Idaho stop now, and it reduces traffic fatalities. I get that your feelings might be hurt that cyclists get something for them for once, but if it saves lives, I really don't care.
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No matter how many times you say “the thing is” doesn’t make it true. [/quote]

It literally is true. Facts don't care about your feelings, they're facts.

"Idaho first passed this law in the 1980s, hence why it’s called the Idaho stop. Idaho saw a 13% decrease in bike crashes after the law was passed. Delaware passed a similar law five years ago and saw a 23% decrease in bike crashes. Nine states total allow the practice."

https://dcist.com/story/22/09/21/dc-moves-to-ban-right-turn-on-red-allow-idaho-stop-cyclists/[/quote]

More than a quarter of all the cyclists who die in traffic die in intersections so, yes, of course we should tell cyclists to ignore those signs designed to make them be more careful when crossing intersections. Makes a lot of sense.[/quote]

That's your only response to data showing that bike crashes declined in other jurisdictions that have set up this law? [/quote]

Ha. That’s not at all what the data shows. But, yes, telling cyclists it’s cool to ignore stop signs in the name of safety is some Orwellian nonsense.[/quote]

I see motorcycles now doing “Idaho stops” (which itself is an Orwellian term since it means you’re blowing through stop signs). Soon Idaho stops will be for everyone, including people in two ton SUVs[/quote]

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