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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Asians want clear transparent rules, no discrimination, and fair competition. Is that too much to ask?[/quote]

Elite schools don’t care about test scores, they care about leadership qualities, grit & sociability. Part-time jobs in high school are important, too.[/quote]
my DC has all those qualities,  PT job, leader, social, quite well spoken (debate team), and near perfect SAT scores and high GPA from a magnet, but Asian.[/quote]

So did my Asian kid and they were admitted to multiple schools. And guess what? Their classmates are mostly white and Asian. [/quote]
do you understand proportionality?

The classmates are mostly white/Asian because they are the largest group that applies.[/quote]

So what’s the problem?[/quote]
? In the US, it is illegal to look at race for employment and education. That's the problem. Are you daft?[/quote]

So you won’t be happy until you’ve driven all of the nonwhite and Asian students out of university. These numbers are relatively small and at Harvard at least getting smaller the last few years. and contrary to your prejudice, they are all perfectly academically qualified to succeed. No one ever said college admissions is quest to find the 2000 “best” applicants.

And if it’s illegal to look at race unemployment then why are boards of major corporations so white and male that diversity requirements are literally being written into the law in some states? I don’t see you crusading against the lack of representation in corporate offices. But I’d guess it’s  probably because it favors white people [/quote]
You are all over the place.

It is illegal to look at race for education and employment, but progressives have decided that it is ok to look at it as long as you are trying to be diverse.    If it was ok to do so, then I guess it would be ok for colleges or businesses to not want anymore black people because they feel that the number of them that they have is enough?[/quote]

I only see you caring about “discrimination” when it affects white folks. [/quote]
? why would you think that?

I don't support *any* type of discrimination.  Why do you support discrimination when it impacts Asian Americans?[/quote]

I don’t think colleges discriminate against Asian Americans or whites anymore than colleges down south that are 80% white discriminate against anyone else. I do think workplaces discriminate significantly, especially at the upper levels, against anyone who isn’t a white male. You want to crusade against discrimination fine but your choice of field is curious. [/quote]

Harvard and the other elite colleges apply a much higher standard to Asian applications, and even white applicants versus black or Latino applicants. As long as standards are different, a racial bias exists because it's based on factors the individual cannot control for - their race. So, yes, Harvard absolutely discriminates against Asian applicants by holding them to a higher standard, and the revelations from the various investigation also showed that Harvard rigged the admissions criteria to make it easier to reject Asian applicants (aka the personality factor).

Your allegation about workplace is both meaningless and without substance. Unlike your claim, in this case we have clear evidence Harvard absolutely does discriminate against Asian applicants.

This is a separate argument from whether it is desirable for Harvard to "positively" discriminate in order to have a more "representative" student body in accordance to some sort of ideal. The irony with the latter is that Harvard still doesn't have a representative student body, and even white students are now underrepresented. But while Harvard is a private institution, it is the beneficiary of substantial federal funding and as such, Constitutional clauses do apply.

The SCOTUS has upheld affirmative action in the past, but it is worthwhile to read the arguments justifying affirmative action. The SCOTUS tacitly admitted it was against the spirit of the Constitution but thought it was important for a societal need to rectify past injustices, which is why the justices at the time talked about a time limit for affirmative action. But that was 60 years ago and we also live in a hugely more diverse America, which reopens all sorts of questions over how race should be handled and viewed by Federal laws and in light of key Constitutional amendments that ban discrimination on the grounds of race. 
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60 years does not erase 400 years of chattel slavery, jim crow, redlining, lynching, war on drugs, stop & frisk, etc. [/quote]

Do Black people wish slavery didn't happen and so they are in Africa now?

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Black people built this country from the ground up.  There would be no United States without Black people.  [/quote]

That is ridiculous.  Of course it would exist.  It would just be different.  Countries like Canada, Australia and NZ all managed to develop without slavery.  [/quote]

You are incorrect.

Canada, Australia, and NZ all had slavery.[/quote]

Numbers please. It’s meaningless to otherwise make comparisons. [/quote]

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