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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Because it's not peers with those schools?

Hopkins is overranked because of federal funding for its medical research and Applied Physics Lab. While I'm sure the medical research has some carryover for undergrad students in biological sciences, it doesn't do much for anything outside of those subjects. The APL is based a 30 minutes drive off campus so it's not of much use to physics/engineering undergrad students.

The Ivies are Ivies, and therefore recognized globally. Duke is well-recognized nationally in every industry due to it's breadth of competencies and also basketball. Hopkins is well recognized nationally but primarily as a pre-med school.[/quote]

How could you live in this area and be totally ignorant of SAIS?  [/quote]
SAIS is a graduate school and based in DC, again not very relevant to undergrads. [/quote]

Exactly. Hopkins' best to offer in terms of academics are not very relevant to undergrads. Be it medical school or SAIS. The political science department, which is actually based in Baltimore, is separate from SAIS and the rankings are in the 40s, which is pretty low for a school of its caliber. Definitely not a top-tier department. [/quote]

Again, you reveal you have no clue what you are talking about.  International studies is a different major than poly sci.  And here’s the rankings.  https://www.collegefactual.com/majors/social-sciences/international-relations-national-security/rankings/top-ranked/[/quote]

Dear, I absolutely know what I am talking about. [b]Foreign Policy[/b]'s rankings on IR programs - https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/02/20/top-fifty-schools-international-relations-foreign-policy/

Top 5 undergrad IR programs

Harvard 
Princeton
Stanford 
Georgetown
Columbia

and JHU at #15.

Top 5 grad IR programs (Master's degree)

Georgetown
Harvard
[b]JHU[/b]
Princeton 
Columbia

Top 5 grad IR programs

Havard
Princeton
Stanford
Columbia 
Chicago

JHU again at #16

Grad and undergrad, two very different things. Still, my point stands. What is offered at the Homewood campus is very different from its other campuses. There is a big disconnect between grad and undergrad programs at JHU, and it's not uncommon to JHU. Many grad-heavy institutions have a similar problem. Simple as that.[/quote]

The ranking I cited  was obviously different but even using the worst one you could find, undergrad IR at Hopkins is T15.  Sorry it is so difficult for you to ever acknowledge you are wrong.[/quote]

T15 out of 50 schools does not make it a leading program. On the other hand, SAIS masters are indisputably leading programs. I don't disagree with you on that. I am simply saying there is a huge gap between grad and undergrad prestige and JHU's prestige is largely built off its grad, NOT undergrad programs. JHU has invested little in its undergrad programs until recently. And this is reflected in the poor cross-admit preferences between JHU and its peer schools and other lower ranked ivies. I really hope the Bloomberg donation could make a difference in the next 10-15 years, but I don't understand why pointing out this existing problem between perceived and actual prestige is so triggering to some of you staunch defenders. [/quote]

Perhaps it is obvious to those of us that actually attended the school that you know nothing about it.  Just a page or two ago, you didn’t know that international studies was a different major than political science.  Now you claim to be an expert on ranking the international studies program.  You want to disregard the ranking that had it first for undergrad international studies and focus on the one that found it fifteenth as if that is somehow definitive.  It also simply isn’t true that there is no relationship between Hopkins undergrads and SAIS.  SAIS professors occasionally teach a course at Homewood (I personally took a course on African politics taught by a SAIS professor as an undergrad), undergrads commonly study abroad at SAIS Europe in Bologna, and there is a five year BA/MA program where three years are at Homewood and two are at SAIS.

The better question is why someone who knows so little about the school is willing to devote so much time to attacking  it.  [/quote]

Foreign Policy magazine is far more authoritative than whatever your "college factual" ranking is, which, in my opinion, is by no means "factual" at all if they place SAIS's undergrad #1 in the country in terms of international studies. Care to provide metrics fo your ranking? The FP ranking is actually based on surveys of IR experts in the field and shows how the programs are perceived by authoritative experts - by the way, I hardly know any top-notch IR experts coming out of Hopkins, having studied IR extensively myself, but you can easily name IR giants from any of the top 5 schools like Harvard (Joseph Nye, Sam Huntington), Stanford (Stephen Walt, Frank Fukuyama), Princeton (John Ikenberry), Columbia (Robert Jervis), Chicago (John Mearsheimer), and Berkeley (Kenneth Waltz).

I am not devoting time to attacking it, I'm just trying to give you a realistic view of how JHU is perceived beyond your own myopic alumni circles. Sorry if it shatters your illusions but facts are often unpleasant to the ear. [/quote]

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