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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Postscript: I am a big fan of humility. I cannot prove my side, and you cannot prove your side.

If G-d wanted His existence to be provable, He could easily make it so, as in the Bible. Why doesn't He?

I have a number of theories on the topic, but mainly it boils down to me being a mortal humans who will never have all the answers in life.

As for how being religious makes you happy, if you read my piece about travel with family being an atonement for sin, it's a meaningful reframe of life that often comes along with a sense of community.

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God proved his existence to us in so many ways. Some people just chose to ignore the evidence. [/quote]

Where is this evidence?[/quote]

I see evidence God exists in the world He created.

Do you have evidence I don’t see God in the world He created? If you do, well, that’s news to me. You could not be more wrong. [/quote]

Oh, I don’t doubt you believe you see it

I also don’t doubt that you don’t see the presupposition of what you typed. That’s not how evidence works. What couldn’t be given credit for the origin of the universe with that logic? I see the evidence of the Loch Ness monster in the world, the Loch Ness monster created. See?[/quote]

We’ve had this conversation how many times?

Evidence is not needed nor could any evidence prove or disprove God.

We don’t have tests, measurements, tools, or scientific knowledge to measure God.

You are asking repeatedly for evidence, and I give the same answer consistently correct answer, over and over again.

Sorry you can’t come to terms with reality.

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Reality is that the Bible tells us that God created the universe. Period. Since the beginning of time, man has been using science to try to discover HOW that was done.

The two are not in conflict. [/quote]

I'm afraid they are because humans wrote the Bible. And science doesn't presuppose a supernatural entity with divine powers created the universe. So they very much are in conflict.[/quote]

[b]Humans created science. If humans created the bible too, as you suggest, then the two can't possibly be in conflict.[/b][/quote]

alrighty then,  :roll: No sense arguing with you![/quote]

Why would you come to the thread that asks people how did they found God if they don't believe? This thread addresses only people who found the God. Why would you insert yourself when you clearly don't believe in God? There are thousand other threads where you can go and find millions of atheists who share your values. [/quote]

In this forum, there seems to be a lot of atheistic evangelizing in an attempt to pull people away from Christianity or faith in general. I find it odd because when I was an atheist, which was over two decades and for most of my adult life, I still recognized how precious it was to have faith and hope in something beyond this world, I just didn't have it. I would not have tried to persuade others in any direction regarding faith, or hang out in religion forums arguing about a God I didn't believe in. This makes me think those who are here are desperately seeking God and trying to fill the void created by the absence of God.[/quote]

Atheists don't evangelize -- that's what Christians do. Not even other religions evangelize (e.g., Jews)

Many atheists were once religious themselves and know from their experience that no one forced them to leave religion.   They did it on their own.  No evangelizing.    [/quote]

Oh, please, read other forums where atheists bashing Christians. They may not call it evangelization, but they clearly promote the false narrative of Christianity, and their hate and despice of Christian people. [/quote]

I don’t think most atheists care; but what we have here on this forum are anti-theists.

"I don't believe leprechauns exist"

and

"I believe leprechauns don't exist"

As always, in any kind of discussion the problem is that people have different definitions for the same word, in this case "believe" (verb) and "belief" (noun).

In order for the difference to make sense, let's agree on the following definitions:

BELIEVE (verb) - ((a)): to consider to be true or honest <believe the reports> <you wouldn't believe how long it took> ((b)): to accept the word or evidence of <I believe you> <couldn't believe my ears>

ASSUME/SUPPOSE (verb) - to lay down tentatively as a hypothesis, assumption, or proposal <suppose a fire broke out> <suppose you bring the salad>

Example:

You are a miner trapped in a mine without any TV, radio, computer, etc.

Someone who's also in the mine says to you: "There is a rescue crew on the way".

Do you believe this person?

Theist: "I believe you. I'm sure they are coming.”
Atheist: "We were both trapped in this mine, I don't see any way you could know what's outside, so I don't believe you. I'm not saying you can't be correct. But I will assume there's no rescue crew and act accordingly."

Anti-theist: "I'm sure you're wrong. There will never be any rescue crew."

Agnostic is not an alternative to the above three. Agnostic says: "There is no way of knowing." <-- this doesn't tell you anything about what the person BELIEVES or ASSUMES

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I agree there is a distinction between atheists and so called anti-theists.  Theoretically, the religion posts are only for the atheists and the agnostics as no amount of words or logic or evidence can convince the anti-theist.  However, there is a fine line between love and hate and those anti-theists are perhaps closer to God than they realize. [/quote]

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